An acoustic analysis of the 1-Oct-2017 mass-shooting in Las Vegas

The mass-shooting that occurred in Las Vegas at the Route 91 Harvest Festival on October 1st, 2017, was one which i was content in ignoring for the most part, not because i didn't have sympathy for the victims, but because i already have an overall understanding of the bigger picture and how such events are often manufactured and used for political purposes. However upon discovering the video by Mike Adams of Natural News titled Forensic acoustic proof of SECOND shooter in the Las Vegas massacre, my curiosity as to the on-the-ground mechanics of the event was stimulated sufficiently enough that i decided to launch my own similar investigation with the goal of determining a), whether there were multiple shooters targeting the venue specifically and b), their locations.

My analysis of several videos captured by witnesses can be found in my article, Las Vegas Shooting 1-Oct-2017: An acoustic analysis and possibly some answers for the victims. In it, i tried to be very respectful of the witnesses and i hope to provide some possible answers that i'm sure many are seeking. There are many completely baseless accusations and theories being tossed about like so much confetti and some people are capitalizing on an event that has real human victims with complete disregard as to how the garbage they spout may further traumatize those victims.

There are certainly many unanswered questions, critical changes to the official story and timeline, and many anomalies to be investigated regarding this event. If the "Illuminati" pulled this off as a satanic ritual or whatever, fine, or if the FBI is involved in organizing and financing it, fine (i find that idea to be far less far fetched given their criminal history) however incredible assertions require the meat to back them up and it disappoints me that much of the speculation and accusations circulating on the web is of the lowest quality garbage originating from brain-dead people, including some so-called independent "investigative journalists".

The web, as far as i'm concerned, is one of the only places left where one is going to get accurate, hard hitting news reporting, however it is also filled with plenty of garbage and knowing which is which is key. Here's a pro-tip from an avid watcher of web news for over a decade: When an article or video title contains an exclamation mark, it may well be garbage. When it is typed in all caps it may well be garbage. When it contains anything like "100 PERCENT PROOF!" or "MUST SEE!", or "SMOKING GUN!" or "BANNED!" or any other such click-bait sensationalist words and phrases, it is either very likely complete garbage, or it was copied from a potentially quality article or video and retitled.

Anyway, to read what i have discovered regarding the Vegas mass-shooting, please read my article and please share it. Ultimately i'd like to reach some of the victims that are being led down rabbit holes that go nowhere. They have suffered far more in 10 minutes of their lives than most of us ever will.

Las Vegas Shooting 1-Oct-2017 – An acoustic analysis and personal impressions

The Vegas mass-shooting on October 1st of 2017 was a tragedy. In this article i attempt to provide some data for researchers, but primarily i attempt to provide some answers for the victims.

See the change log at the end of this document for a complete revision history.


First and foremost, my heart goes out to everyone affected by this senseless waste of human life. If you were one of the many people that were present at the Route 91 Harvest Festival in Las Vegas on on the night of October 1st, 2017, then know that this work is dedicated largely to you. Unlike some others who are capitalizing on this event, i am not seeking any monetary gain for my work. I decided to do this research because it bothers me deeply that so many of the witnesses and the public at large are being given answers that, in my opinion, are sometimes deeply flawed and therefore i'd like to make an attempt to provide some evidence-based answers that are more accurate than some of the garbage floating around on the web.

Anyone who has researched the Vegas Route 91 Harvest Festival mass-shooting is likely to have heard claims from several witnesses who have stated, to varying degrees of certainty, that multiple gunmen were acting in concert with, or in place of the primary suspect, Stephen Craig Paddock, and it is this facet of the shooting which is the focus of this article. To be clear, the primary scope of this article and analysis was purposely limited to determining whether or not more than one gunman targeted the Route 91 Harvest Festival venue specifically, as well as to determine the approximate location of the shooter or shooters.

Let me be clear about how the term "multiple gunmen" is used here. As many others, i have also come across many reports of multiple gunmen targeting the venue as well as shooting incidents at various other locations in Las Vegas on the day of the shooting, including at the Bellagio, Caesars Palace, Planet Hollywood, the Tropicana, Hooters and others. While many of us are well aware of how dishonest and corrupt the mainstream media is, we must also account for the fact that it is sometimes the earliest news reports of an event which are filtered the least and therefore most revealing and in this case we have available both the news footage and the raw police scanner audio which was recorded live as this event unfolded. Upon listening to the police recordings it becomes apparent that for each report of shootings at the aforementioned hotels, strike teams were quickly deployed to investigate the alleged incidents and in every case the reports were unsubstantiated. Subsequent evidence, or lack thereof (few if any corroborating witnesses), confirm this. For example, regarding the alleged shooting at Hooters and reports of bodies being carried out, it appears this location was used as a staging area for emergency vehicles and victims of the Harvest Festival shooting. I am not certain of this, but i think this is a likely explanation according to the evidence i have seen. That said, again, my primary focus here is whether more than one gunman targeted the Route 91 Harvest Festival specifically and not whether there were simultaneous shootings elsewhere.

Perhaps many are aware of the acoustic analysis of the Harvest Festival shooting preformed by Mike Adams of Natural News in which he claims to have proven that there was indeed a second gunman targeting the concert venue. Adams stated in his video that he performed a "forensic spectral analysis" of audio samples recorded by witnesses in order to reach his conclusion. He further stated that the entire process consumed only about three hours of his time and i honestly have to shake my head and wonder what kind of "forensic spectral analysis" can be preformed in roughly three hours during a Sunday afternoon. To my knowledge, Mike has not followed up on his initial findings in order to accurately locate the second shooter he claims existed, even though he stated that doing so would be rather trivial. Given the scope of this tragedy and the number of people affected, both directly and indirectly, i find this incredibly irresponsible.

I think it is also irresponsible for Mike to promote what he himself admits is an unfinished analysis, across multiple high-traffic websites including YouTube, Veterans Today, Shooting News and Natural News (his own website), with seemingly more regard for how many views, 'clicks' and 'likes' he can acquire, promoting his own website in the process, rather than seriously consider how such information may negatively impact the victims of this event, their families and the public in general if it is incorrect, as i believe my own research demonstrates. His clickbait titled YouTube video, Forensic acoustic proof of SECOND shooter in the Las Vegas massacre, had received over one million views as of this writing before it was removed and he continued to capitalize upon this massacre with several follow-up videos, including another sensationalist titled video, The public astonished to discover this PROOF of a second Las Vegas shooter. In fact, as i think the evidence clearly dictates, not only did Adams fail to prove there was a second shooter, he also neglected to adequately explain or publish the math and methods he used to reach his conclusions and therefore his hypothesis cannot be considered to be anything resembling science.

There are many victims of this slaughter and i'm sure that those left alive to grieve are desperate for answers, especially with regard to the motive of Stephan Paddock. When these traumatized people come across a half-baked 'analysis' alleging a second gunman without offering any hard evidence to back the claim, i think they are being victimized even further. If there was more than one gunman, fine, but there must be evidence to support such a conclusion. That said, i must credit Adams for inspiring me to pick up the ball that he prematurely dropped and attempt to carry it to its logical conclusion which is to determine if there were multiple shooters and, if so, their locations.

After watching and listening to many of the videos recorded by eyewitnesses, like others have concluded, i was also initially quite certain there was more than one shooter because i thought i clearly heard overlapping gunfire as well as very different tones of gunfire. The possibility of a second shooter did not surprise me in the least. As a matter of fact, i had expected to confirm Adams' claim of a second shooter. I am also quite aware of the bigger picture here and how events like this are often manufactured to be used for political purposes.

In order to confirm or refute the multiple shooter theory, i needed to determine the specific locations near the concert venue where several witness recorded their videos so i could then plot those locations on a map. The locations of the witnesses, in conjunction with the audio they recorded, would then make it possible to calculate the difference between the sounds of bullet impacts or supersonic booms and the sound of the muzzle reports. This delay can then be used to determine whether there were multiple gunmen, as well as the approximate locations of the gunmen once several witness recordings from different positions are analyzed. If this sounds like some kind of black magic, i assure you it isn't. The math required to accomplish this is quite simple.

The sounds of bullet impacts, supersonic shock waves and muzzle reports needs to be thoroughly addressed because it is here, during the opening minutes of this event, that a very significant mistake has been made by many witnesses and this mistake has led several researchers to suggest or conclude that there were indeed multiple shooters. The problem here is that there were several very different gun related sounds that night and the dramatic difference between them has been incorrectly interpreted by some as sounds which originated from different weapons in different locations when in fact all of the sounds originated from the same location. One of the sounds was generated by bullets impacting the asphalt, glass, metal and other objects at the venue. Another sound was produced by the supersonic boom produced by a projectile traveling faster than the speed of sound. The third sound was produced by the muzzle reports (the "bang" of the gun) of the weapon firing those bullets. In the witness video recordings the sounds of the supersonic boom typically have a higher frequency and amplitude and a shorter duration than the sound of the muzzle report. In other words they are generally louder and sharper, sounding more like a 'crack' than a 'bang', while the muzzle reports sounded more like a 'bang' and were not generally as loud at the concert area. I am quite certain that those witnesses who stated that the gunfire did not sound authentic, such as those who attributed it to firecrackers for example, said so because they queued in more on the louder cracks of the supersonic booms which sounded much more like firecrackers, rather than on the muzzle reports which followed shortly thereafter. This is obviously an innocent mistake, one which i initially made myself even though i am familiar with guns. I cannot overemphasize the significance of this mistake because it seems very apparent to me that it alone has sent otherwise creditable people off on wild goose chases for a second gunman which the acoustic evidence does not reveal, as we shall see.

Another interesting aspect that was likely in play during this event is something called 'normalcy bias' which is basically where the mind attempts to put a radically abnormal event, like being shot at, into a normalized context so that it doesn't have to deal with reality. This phenomena may explain the behavior of one guy who stood up among a sea of people attempting to protect themselves in order to offer a one-fingered salute to the shooter while bullets were raining down in his immediate vicinity. I noticed many other people behaving in a similar way where they were casually walking around, failing to take cover, failing to determine where the shots were coming from, attributing the gunshots to firecrackers, etc..

The Stephanie interview

Watching and listening to the witness videos without having a background in gunfire can easily mislead one to conclude that there were multiple shooters and i'm quite certain that many of those present at the concert drew this erroneous conclusion in real-time, some even stating that they felt as though they were being chased, such as Stephanie does at about the 50 second mark in this interview with Fox 5:

When you extract the audio portions of the witness videos and look at the waveforms with audio editing software however — and i very much need to stress look, rather than only listen — it is readily apparent that, while there are indeed different and very distinct sounds related to gunfire, it is quite obvious that they are married to each other and originate from the same source.

I do not believe Stephanie was being deceptive when she stated that it felt as though she was being chased, nor when she said she could not understand how all of the gunfire could have come from one shooter, however we can understand how the drama of an event of this magnitude could easily result in a skewed recollection of the event, especially when it is being recalled just hours later and before she has had a chance to fully process what happened. An example of this is when Stephanie states that she felt like she had been running for approximately 30 minutes while the gunfire continued, though we know the shooting lasted only about 10 minutes.

Like many other witnesses and researchers, Stephanie is probably not intimately familiar with gunfire and has probably never experienced a mass-shooting before, yet she was asked to recall a horrific event that occurred immediately prior to this news interview. While i am confidant Stephanie isn't lying, i strongly suspect that her interpretation of the event regarding automatic gunfire and the sounds of bullet impacts, supersonic booms and muzzle reports is based on something closer to what she has seen and heard in movies since that is likely her only reference point up to this time.

How evidence was processed

My research into the acoustic aspect of the Vegas shooting went something like this:

  1. Procure multiple witness videos for analysis where the witnesses were in close proximity to the music concert at the Route 91 Harvest Festival
  2. Plot the witness locations on a map using visual references from their videos
  3. Extract the audio tracks from the witness videos to be used for waveform analysis
  4. Note the times of the gunfire bursts and bullet impacts or supersonic booms in each audio file for each witness recording
  5. Analyze each burst of gunfire in each audio file in order to find samples that would provide good data with regard to calculating bullet impact/supersonic boom to muzzle report delay times
  6. Determine the time offset between bullet impacts/supersonic booms and the following muzzle reports for each sample where the quality of the sample permitted
  7. Using some simple math and the bullet impact/supersonic boom to muzzle report time difference, plot a circle around each witness that indicates the approximate distance of the shooter from that witness
  8. Gather enough data from enough witnesses to be able to indicate the position or positions of the shooter or shooters which can be determined from where the circles around multiple witnesses converge

'Looking' at the sounds

Bullet Impact Followed By Muzzle Report Waveform
Example waveform showing bullet impacts and following muzzle reports from the Las Vegas mass-shooting, 1-Oct-2017

The audio waveform above represents a very typical rapid fire sequence such as Stephanie heard. This kind of sequence is found in nearly all of the multimedia files which i have examined from witnesses located at or near the festival venue, though to widely varying degrees of quality depending on the amount of background noise. This particular sample is from the 00:06:04-00:06:07 time frame of an audio track extracted from a video titled, RAW VIDEO: Escape from Las Vegas shooting. In the graphic we can readily identify two distinct sounds, one of which is of a higher amplitude which represents the supersonic boom of the projectile, and the other a lower amplitude sound which soon follows and represents the muzzle reports from the gun. You will notice that the last three supersonic booms marked on the graphic are closely followed by the last three muzzle reports from the gun. There is a delay between the two because of the location of the witness relative to the location of the shooter, the velocity of the projectiles and of course the speed of sound. Once you recognize the difference in the appearance of the sounds, you should be able to easily identify nearly all of the lower and higher amplitude spikes besides those which i have marked.

This pattern is found in nearly every one of the rapid fire bursts recorded by witnesses. The only exceptions that come to mind are samples which were recorded far enough away from the venue that either the bullet impacts, supersonic booms, or the muzzle reports were not recorded, or instances where the background noise overrode these sounds. It is vital to understand that for every video that i have analyzed which recorded rapid fire bursts where the projectiles impacted at or near the venue, they all recorded both sounds nearly simultaneously and these sounds are bullets striking asphalt and other objects (metal and glass in some instances) or supersonic booms and these sounds are then followed approximately 30 to 40 milliseconds later by the sound of the muzzle reports. The reason the bullet impacts and supersonic booms are heard before the muzzle report of the gun by the concert goers is because the bullet (assuming a .223 cal. Remington 55 gr. cartridge) is traveling roughly three times the speed of sound (approximately 3239 feet per second muzzle velocity) while the sound of the muzzle report (the gunshot) is traveling much slower at approximately 1138.52 feet per second (80 F air temperature assumed) and therefore the impact of the projectile or the supersonic boom it produces is heard by the witnesses before the muzzle report when the witness is located closer to the target than the weapon (the distance between the venue and the snipers nest has been estimated to be approximately 1,360 ft.). If these two, very distinct sounds were overlapping gunfire as some have claimed, then all of the following conditions would have to be true:

  1. Both gunman would have had to be using a bump-stock or similar device because the unique rhythm of the rapid fire sequences produced by such a device can be clearly heard in all of the samples analyzed
  2. Both of the gunmen would have to had fired in almost perfect concert for every burst-fire sequence with one of them — and it would have to be the same one each time — leading the other by approximately 30 to 40 milliseconds and they would had to have ceased firing in the same order with roughly the same 30 to 40 millisecond offset

This is crucial because these conditions alone largely disprove the multiple shooter theory because it is all but impossible for two human beings to coordinate this accurately, much less in the same cadence. In order to further drive these points home, let's demonstrate a typical rapid fire sequence in text form where 'a' represents the sound of bullets impacting the ground at the venue and 'b' represents the sound of the muzzle reports:


Although this example is crude and exaggerated, you will notice two things here which hold true in the actual video recordings and the data which is presented later in this article and they are, 1), the time between the muzzle reports (b – the firing of the gun) is not consistent and this is because a bump-stock device relies heavily upon forces and pressures provided by the person using the weapon in order to operate it, and 2), that the time gap between the bullet impacts (a) and the muzzle reports (b) is exactly the same for every shot. In other words, both sounds follow exactly the same rhythm with the bullet impact sound always being followed 30 to 40 milliseconds later by the muzzle report. This would be simply impossible were both sounds generated by two guns fired by two human beings.

Again, in order to reach a logical conclusion as to whether there was more than one shooter, it is vital to look at the audio waveforms of the recordings using audio editing software rather than only listen to them. Once you 'see' the sound and realize that there are two very distinct sounds with different amplitudes and tones, yet both follow the same rhythm with approximately the same 30-40 millisecond offset, it becomes obvious that they both originate from the same source. Furthermore we know for a fact that a gun firing a projectile which exceeds the speed of sound is going to produce two very distinct sounds; the muzzle blast and the supersonic boom of the projectile, therefore we must expect to hear the same in the witness recordings.

The 'taxi video'

Regarding what i call the 'taxi video', of which my copy is titled Vegas Shooting Taxi Driver's Video ! Must Watch B4 Well You Know , The Take Down !, it seems this video in particular has attracted loads of attention from those who wish to use it to promote a multiple shooter scenario and it is not difficult to understand why when you listen to it:

This video was recorded by a woman operating a taxi in very close proximity to the Mandalay Bay hotel main entrance near the same wing (north) and approximately 32 floors below where the sniper nest is alleged to have been. In it there are several rapid fire sequences, some of which are very loud and clear and very near the witness. These sounds are obviously indicative of gunfire, however during the same video one can also hear gunfire which sounds much more muted and farther away (notably though, the two sounds do not overlap). The driver even remarks about this at one point, stating that the gunfire sounds "like it's coming from farther away". It seems many have concluded that the different sounds of the gunfire in this video present evidence of a second shooter, but this conclusion is incorrect in my opinion. Having said that, i must admit that i too had initially assumed that multiple shooters were firing from different locations when i listened to this video, but i eventually realized that there is a less dramatic and more logical explanation. What i believe explains the different sounding gunfire is that the shooter, presumably in the Mandalay Bay hotel room, moved away from the broken window in order to fire at another threat, perhaps someone approaching their position from inside the hotel. Could this have been when Jesus Campos or Stephen Schuck were shot at? We are told the gunman fired approximately 200 rounds through the front door of room 32-135 at hotel security officer Jesus Campos and, later, hotel engineer Stephen Schuck. If that is true, and it certainly appears it is, then the shooter would had to have moved well away from the broken window of the hotel room in order to fire through the entry door at Campos and Schuck and this would have resulted in a dramatic difference in the way the gunfire sounded to anyone outside the hotel. While the difference in the sound of the firing sequences as heard in the taxi driver video could possibly be explained by the use of different weapons and/or the shooter moving between the two broken windows in rooms 32-134 and 32-135, i think the most logical conclusion is that it was simply the result of the gunman shooting first from the broken window in 32-135, where all of the .223 casings were found, and then changing position in order to shoot through the hotel room door at the approaching hotel staff. Either way, i hope i have sufficiently explained how noticeably different sounds of gunfire could easily have originated from the same source, the same general location, and even the same weapon.

The result

According to the data i have derived from multiple witness videos, the hypothesis that i believe to be correct at this time is that there was only one shooter that targeted the venue at the Route 91 Harvest Festival in Las Vegas on the night of October 1st, 2017, and that shooter was located in or near the MGM owned Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino.

The locations of several witnesses who were positioned close to the festival are plotted on the map below. Surrounding and centered around each witness is a colored circle specific to that witness which, based on the data below, indicates the approximate distance of the shooter from that particular witness. The diameter of each circle was determined by calculating the projectile supersonic boom or bullet impact to muzzle report delay times as per the 'bullet time to distance' chart below.

If we look only at the data for a single witness, then the shooter could be positioned anywhere along the circumference of the circle surrounding that witness, however when the data for multiple witnesses in different locations is plotted, we can then determine not only an approximate distance of the shooter or shooters, but also their approximate position, or multiple positions if there was more than one. Looking at the image below, all of the circles around the witnesses converge closest to the Mandalay Bay which is consistent with a single shooter positioned in or near the hotel. The smaller red circle nearest the Mandalay Bay indicates where the circles tend to converge the tightest and thus indicates the approximate position of the gunman.

Las Vegas shooting, 1-Oct-2017, witness positions
Las Vegas shooting, 1-Oct-2017, where the small red circle indicates the most likely position of the gunman based upon the data derived from each witness video

The gap between where the circles converge and the Mandalay Bay could be because the bullet weight that i chose (55 gr.) is not accurate or perhaps the amount of gunpowder used in the casings was not accurate. Either of these variables would affect the diameter of the circles around the witnesses equally and thus put the shooter somewhat closer or further from the Mandalay bay, but still along the same general line between the venue and the hotel. Although it is also possible there is a problem with the math i used, the data would still indicate a single shooter, though, again, the location could be closer or further from the Mandalay Bay. There are also other variables to consider, such as the precise location of the witnesses which i was not able to determine, though i believe the margin of error should be no more than a few yards and much less than that in some cases where there were clear visual references in their videos that could be accurately correlated with a location on Google Maps. There may also be other variables which i have not considered, though i think it is unlikely that any i might have missed would significantly affect the general conclusion.

Regardless of the potential inaccuracies in my data as far locating the shooter, we still have the 'taxi video' and other audio/video evidence which clearly indicates that the gunman was in very close proximity to her position near the main entrance of the Mandalay Bay. Again, it is not only the raw data that indicates a single gunman, but also the sound of the gunfire which, except for the expected variations in amplitude, sounds very much the same across all of the witness videos i have analyzed in terms of the average firing rate, the subtle variations in the firing rate which is indicative of a bump-stock device, the burst times and the tone.

Personal observations

Following are a few of my personal observations that i think are relevant to this case.


I think it must be seriously considered that there are several instances of potential foreknowledge of this event, one of which arrived in the form of several posts on the public message board 4chan on September 10, 2017, roughly three weeks prior to the attack, by someone identifying them self as "john":

The Las Vegas mass-shooting and the "john" posts on 4chan
Three posts by "john" on the 4chan message board dated 10-Sep-2017 which indicate foreknowledge of the 1-Oct-2017 mass-shooting in Las Vegas

Another potential instance of foreknowledge resulted from statements made to the news media by an alleged eyewitness, Brianna Hendricks, who stated that a Hispanic-looking woman, accompanied by a male subject, pushed her way to the front row of the concert and told people that they were all going to die approximately 45 minutes prior to the time the shooting began. Brianna further stated the following:

It seemed she was telling us to either warn us, or she was part of it and she was telling us because she knew we were going to die. It was so scary.


It felt like she had knowledge of what was about to happen.


She said they're all around us and we were going to die.

According to Snopes — a highly dubious resource if ever there was one — they interviewed Brianna and claim that she altered her story in that the remarks of the unidentified woman may have been directed solely at a single person or small group which this woman had a dispute with. If this is true, could such alterations be the result of pressure upon her to conform to a predetermined narrative, or did Brianna genuinely feel that her original statement was inaccurate and wanted to correct it? I don't know, but given the level of detail and her demeanor in the original press interview, i suspect the answer may possibly be something closer to the former. Perhaps the bigger question is why the LVMPD has failed to comment regarding the statements made by Brianna Hendricks or who the unidentified woman was. Perhaps Snopes rang the bell that saved them from having to do so.

It is also quite interesting that, similar to the alleged insider trading prior to the September 11, 2001, attack upon the U.S., James Murren, the CEO of MGM Resorts International, which owns the Mandalay Bay, dumped 259,760 shares of stock on the 7th of September, 2017, and another 34,390 shares on the 8th for a total value of $10,024,632 and he did so during a time when the value of the stock was apparently rising. What kind of confidence is instilled among the investors when the CEO dumps the vast majority of their holdings in the company? The day after the shooting MGM Resorts International stock fell 5.7%. From Disobedient Media:

It's currently unclear why Murren chose to sell when he did. To date, MGM's stock has not experienced a significant decline in value due to the repurchasing program. It could be interpreted to run against the company's interests for the CEO to convey a sense of urgency in the selling of his shares by disposing of them immediately after the commencement of his company's share repurchase program. It's also strange that the CEO of a company would sell more than half of their stake (let alone 80%) in the company that they represented.

Further details regarding these stock transactions can be found at The Ledger Gazette.

James Murren was not the only one who profited huge as a result of the falling value of the stock. On August 14, 2017, George Soros placed a put call for 1,350,000 shares on MGM Resorts International for a profit of $42,242,000, the details of which are covered in the following video, Follow the Money / George Soros – Las Vegas Shooting, by Jake Morphonios. According to his YouTube page, "Jake Morphonios is the chief investigator for the Blackstone Intelligence Network. His background is in financial crimes investigation, journalism and Middle Eastern geopolitics. Jake has worked as a strategist and adviser to several political campaigns, including those of presidential candidates Steve Forbes and Ron Paul.".

For details regarding some of the other profiteers of the MGM stock price fall, see the article Insider Trading and Financial Anomalies Surrounding the Las Vegas Attack. The LVMPD and the FTC have yet to comment on these trades as far as i am aware.

The whirlybird sniper

Regarding the completely baseless speculation that there was a sniper shooting from a helicopter, good luck proving that a), it happened, and b), that a legally required anti-collision beacon or strobe light, which happens to be flashing terribly out of sync with the gunfire, is actually muzzle flashes. As per the FAA Night Operations Handbook for aircraft, chapter 13, pg. 13-7, 13-8:

All recently manufactured aircraft certificated for night flight must have an anticollision light that makes the aircraft more visible to other pilots. This light is either a red or white flashing light and may be in the form of a rotating beacon or a strobe. While anticollision lights are required for night visual flight rules (VFR) flights, they may be turned off any time they create a distraction for the pilot.

Understand that i am not stating as 100% certifiable fact that only one shooter targeted the concert, but i will confidently state as fact that the data which i have accumulated over the better part of a week, including what my eyes see and ears hear, does not indicate the presence of a second shooter, not at nor near the venue and certainly not from a helicopter. Again, for the purpose of this work, i have not seriously considered shooting events which may or may not have occurred at other locations, though every one of these reports was apparently addressed by police and found to be without merit.

The drugs

In my opinion, Paddock does not seem to fit the profile of a mass-murder given what information is available at this time, however if he was in fact prescribed diazepam (Valium) as indeed appears to be the case, then the potential side-effects of these dangerous drugs must be seriously considered as a possible factor in this shooting. It is also well worth mentioning that such drugs are present in many mass shootings dating at least as far back as Columbine (20-Apr-1999) where Kevin Harris was apparently taking fluvoxamine (Luvox) and Dylan Klebold is alleged to have been taking Paxil and Zoloft. One could argue that it sounds quite reasonable that such drugs readily appear in these mass-shooting events because the people taking them were diagnosed and treated for psychological problems, however at least some of the previous mass-shooters showed no tendency toward violence whatsoever prior to the consumption of these drugs and in fact some have written or verbalized how the drugs made them feel angry, depressed and/or disconnected soon after they began taking them. The potential side-effects for diazepam, as well as many of the mind-altering SSRI drugs, are very dangerous and include the following:

  • aggressiveness
  • agitation
  • anxiety
  • confusion
  • delusions
  • depression
  • discouragement
  • false beliefs that cannot be changed by facts
  • feeling sad or empty
  • feeling that others are watching you or controlling your behavior
  • feeling, seeing, or hearing things that are not there
  • hyper-excitability
  • insomnia
  • irritability
  • lack of memory of what takes place after a certain event
  • loss of interest or pleasure (reported by Marilou Danley to investigators)
  • nightmares
  • outbursts of anger
  • psychoses
  • rage
  • restlessness
  • seizures
  • sleep disturbances
  • stimulation
  • unusual behavior (reported by Marilou Danley to investigators as well as by Paddock's doctor)
  • unusual tiredness or weakness (reported by Stephan Paddock to primary doctor, family, friends)
  • change in consciousness
  • loss of strength or energy (reported by Stephan Paddock to primary doctor, family, friends)
  • muscle pain or weakness (reported by Stephan Paddock to primary doctor, family, friends)
  • unusual drowsiness, dullness, tiredness, weakness, or feeling of sluggishness (reported to primary doctor by Stephan Paddock)
  • decreased interest in sexual intercourse (reported by Marilou Danley to investigators)

Also "inappropriate behavior and other adverse behavioral effects have been reported when using benzodiazepines" according to the drug sheet on the FDA website.

We can turn to page 23 of the LVMPD Preliminary Investigative Report in order to confirm that Paddock seems to have been suffering from several problems which could be attributed to diazepam:

Marilou Danley stated Paddock's demeanor changed over the course of the last year. According to her, Paddock had become "distant" and their relationship was no longer intimate.

And from page 24:

Paddock made numerous claims to friends and family that he consistently felt ill, in pain or fatigued.


The physician described Paddock as "odd" in behavior with "little emotion" shown. He believed Paddock may have had bipolar disorder however, Paddock did not want to discuss that topic further with him. Paddock also refused anti-depressant medication but accepted prescriptions for anxiety.

If Paddock refused anti-depressant medication, that would seem to indicate that his doctor had diagnosed him with depression. What role might his possible depression have played in the shooting, even without the side-effects associated with diazepam? What can happen when someone suffering from depression is prescribed diazepam which is intended to treat anxiety?

And finally from page 38:

The attached southeast bathroom had a tub along the north wall with two glass vacuum suction holders on top of the tub ledge, a sink counter along the south wall with toiletries to include a prescription for "Diazepam 10 MG" in the name of "Steve Paddock", and two inhalers.

The obvious questions here are, when was diazepam first prescribed and how much was being consumed by Paddock, because the symptoms reported by Paddock's doctor, his girlfriend and himself, are all in the list of side-effects for diazepam. According to, the maximum recommended dosage of diazepam for treating anxiety in an adult is 10 mg. four times per day and according to the police report, Paddock's prescription was for 10 mg.. Furthermore, under the section titled 'What should I avoid while taking diazepam?' on, it clearly states that alcohol should be avoided:

This medication may impair your thinking or reactions. Be careful if you drive or do anything that requires you to be alert.

Avoid drinking alcohol. Dangerous side effects could occur.

Grapefruit and grapefruit juice may interact with diazepam and lead to unwanted side effects. Discuss the use of grapefruit products with your doctor.

And yet on page 10 of the LVMPD Preliminary Investigative Report we read the following regarding the sequence of events for September 30:

From approximately 1204 to 1215 hours hotel staff serviced the private mini bar of room 32-134.

Was Paddock consuming alcohol along with diazepam and, if so, how much alcohol did he consume? How much diazepam was he taking? Was he taking more than what was prescribed? Are the side-effects of diazepam the cause and motive that law enforcement is seeking? We know from an autopsy conducted by Dr. Lisa Gavin of the Clark County coroner's office that nordiazepam, oxazepan and temazepan where found in Paddock's urine which apparently indicates the presence of diazepam. There is no mention of alcohol.

From and article on titled Valium Overdose Symptoms, Signs, Effects & Treatment, we find a list of symptoms for someone who consumes too much Valium and they include the following:

  • agitation
  • anxiety
  • panic
  • lowered mental capacities
  • hallucinations
  • confusion

In a UPI article regarding the autopsy titled Autopsy for Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock shows no insight into motives, we read:

A separate examination of his brain at Stanford University found no major abnormalities, including no evidence of Alzheimer's disease.

This statement completely contradicts the very next sentence in the same article which says that "The brain had 'the most striking abnormality' in the hippocampus, a part of the brain involving human learning and memory." An article in the Los Angeles Times adds a bit more detail:

The autopsy also included a short report from Stanford University, which studied his brain to determine whether there was anything unusual. It revealed what it called "the most striking abnormality" in the hippocampus, a part of the brain involving human learning and memory. The report did not say whether the abnormalities might have affected his behavior.

At this point in time it is my opinion that the drug diazepam may be the motivational elephant in the room that law enforcement is seeking, however based on my research regarding the trillion dollar and politically well-connected pharmaceutical industry, i can tell you to a high degree of certainty that if diazepam did play a significant role in this shooting, its role will never be revealed.

The venue lights

Why were the venue lights switched on soon after the shooting started, thus illuminating the crowd and making them easier to target? Who made this decision?

The guns

Why all the guns? Even if we assume Paddock was selling guns, which appears to be likely according to the LVMPD, why cart a literal truck-load of guns to a well-planned mass-shooting when you only need a few and you know you're not going to escape afterward? A handful of guns would have been sufficient in my opinion, perhaps three to five for sniping and spraying which would allow for barrel overheating and varying distances to different targets, along with one or two for close range encounters with security and law enforcement. Finally, a handgun to end it all when your options run out because it's quite obvious that the suspect had no hope of escaping from the 32nd floor of a hotel in one of the most surveilled cities on the planet. So why all the guns? Does diazepam, possibly in combination with alcohol, provide an answer to the seemingly nonsensical decision to bring approximately 21 suitcases potentially containing weapons and ammunition?

According to information contained in the final FIT police report, Paddock fired 14 of his guns, 11 of which were AR-15's, nearly all of them equipped with 100 round magazines:

Recovered in rooms 32-135 and 32-134 were 1057 shell casings. Forensic analysis was completed on all of the shell casings that were recovered. Of the rifles recovered from inside rooms 32-135 and 32-134, 14 were found to have been fired.


Though i have no proof, based on my previous research into such events, i suspect there is possibly a great deal more to this story than simply Stephan Paddock and diazepam. I think this shooting may have served multiple agendas, including a continued assault on the second amendment, the opportunity for certain powerful investors (George Soros and Michael Chertoff according the "john" posts on 4chan) to profit from the sales of security equipment, as well as many others who profited from the drop in MGM's stock value, and potentially to instill yet more fear in the public mind which can then be leveraged to influence public opinion. I am also extremely suspicious of the FBI and what role they may have played (and i emphasize may) in the planning of this event. This corrupt organization has an incredibly disturbing track record of blatant criminal activity in many previous instances, including the deliberate manufacturing of domestic terrorists in order to later arrest them, thus "preventing" a terrorist attack that otherwise would likely not have occurred and thereby justifying their enormous budget.

Lastly, this bizarre case is so full of holes, contradictions, alterations and unanswered questions that it stretches the official narrative to its breaking point in my opinion.

On a personal note

This has been a difficult undertaking for me. Because i choose to do a video and audio analysis of the gunshots, and because i needed to hear every detail in the witness videos, i had to wear high quality headphones and this made it seem as though i was physically with the people at the concert venue. The screams and pleas for help and all of the noise and confusion during this horror lived inside my head for several days as i listened over and over again to these videos. It's difficult to imagine what it was like for those that actually lived it.

Please feel free to share your comments. You need not register to leave a comment and if you wish to comment anonymously, just use a fake email address. If you were a witness to this event or have sensitive information to share, you have my assurance that your right to privacy will be maintained. You can contact me privately here.

The data

If you're curious about how the data for the map above was derived, read on. I may work further on this, so do not consider it complete. There may be errors, so do not consider it perfect. If you have any feedback, questions, or find any errors, feel free to leave a comment or contact me privately.

Note also that i have combined both bullet impacts and supersonic booms under the 'impact' heading since whether the first sound to reach the witnesses is a bullet impact or a supersonic boom is irrelevant because both would have been heard by the witnesses at the nearly precisely same time.

General observations

general observations

* several shot sequences are approximately 10 seconds

* no shot sequences seem to be any longer than 10-11 seconds

* some 10 second shot sequences are very close to other firing sequences, such 
as the 00:03:25-00:03:27 and 00:03:30-00:03:40 sequences in the [001] video - if 
the shooter had to reload after a 10 second burst, i doubt there was enough time 
to eject, reload, reacquire the target area and begin firing, nor do i think 
there was time to pick up another weapon which, for the example given, there is 
only approximately 3 seconds between bursts

* i cannot detect any muzzle flashes from the Paddock hotel room (or anywhere 
else) from the videos i examined, particularly from witness [001] which includes 
some fairly steady footage of the Mandalay Bay during a rapid fire sequence - i 
adjusted the brightness, contrast and color saturation of the video to a large 
degree and could not observe flashes - although many of the videos are not of 
the highest quality, i still find this odd - the shooter certainly was not using 
a silencer and i tend to doubt that a flash suppressor alone would mask the 
muzzle flashes

* although Paddock apparently had 20+ guns in his room, it is unusual for any of 
the gunshot sequences to differ in amplitude and tone within the same witness 
recordings and often they differ little between different witness recordings - 
the bump-stock type repetitive fire variations are present in every video - this 
begs the question as to whether Paddock, the alleged shooter, ever used more 
than one type/caliber of weapon and, if he did not, then why bring 20+ guns 
which is an utterly absurd number

Ballistic calculation resources

Atmospheric conditions in Las Vegas, October 1st, 2017:

Las Vegas weather 1-Oct-2017
Las Vegas weather 1-Oct-2017

A 20 degree angle was used for ballistics calculations based on a rough estimate using Google Maps:

Mandalay Bay Shooter Angle (estimated)
Mandalay Bay shooter angle (estimated)

The cartridge used for ballistics calculations was a .223 Remington, metal case, 55 gr. cartridge. This caliber is based on the multiple AR-15 weapons found by police in room 32-135, most of which were equipped with bump-stock devices. The type and weight of the bullet is estimated. Here is the ballistics table for that cartridge:

.223 Remington Metal Case 55gr Ballistics Table
.223 Remington Metal Case 55gr Ballistics Table

This is the chart i used to calculate bullet time to distance, corrected for atmospheric conditions and shooter angle:

Bullet time to distance - .223 Remington Metal Case, 55 gr.
Bullet time to distance for a .223 Remington, metal case, 55 gr. cartridge

How calculations were preformed


* ballistic calculations were preformed using the Ballistic Calculator tool from [4]
* distances from projectile impacts to muzzle reports are calculated from 
witness recordings close to the concert where projectile impacts are recorded 
before the audible muzzle report - from this data the estimated distance to the 
shooter is derived and, given enough data from multiple witnesses, shooter 
position can be derived
* cartridge (assumed): .223 Remington, Remington Metal Case, 55gr (used for 
ballistic calculations)
    - ballistic coefficient: 0.202
    - initial velocity: 3240 ft/s
    - bullet weight: 55 gr.
    - zero range: 100 yds.
    - shooting angle: 20 deg.
    - sight height: 1.5"
    - wind velocity: 0
    - wind angle: 0
    - drag function: G1 | Ingalls
    - air temp: 80 F
    - altitude: 2030 ft.
    - atmospheric pressure: 29.53
    - relative humidity: 24%
* Las Vegas temperature, 1-Oct-2017, 10p: 80 deg. F (used for ballistic 
calculations and speed of sound) [1]
* Las Vegas relative humidity, Oct: 24% (used for ballistic calculations) [3]
* speed of sound @ 80 deg. F: 1138.52 ft/s [2]
* map radius's surrounding each witness location as plotted on the map are 
calculated using the projectile impact to muzzle report delay figures - added to 
the distance is the difference between the witness location and the target area 
(rough center of open area in front of stage) to create the corrected distances 
which are then used to calculate the radius around the witness - the corrected 
distance was measured on Google Maps using the built-in measuring tool

sound time to distance
feet    ms
1800    1581
1650    1449
1500    1317
1350    1186
1200    1054
1050     922
 900     790
 750     659
 600     527
 450     395
 300     263
 150     132

projectile time to distance
feet    ms
1800    928
1650    809
1500    700
1350    600
1200    509
1050    426
 900    350
 750    280
 600    215
 450    155
 300    100
 150     48


Software used


os: GNU/Linux Mint

    Waterfox (web browser)
        Scrapbook X (extension to save and organize web content)
    Audacity (audio editor)
    GIMP (image editor)
    Kate (text/code editor)
    youtube-dl (download video, extract audio)
    KSnapshot (screen capture)
    VLC (media player)

Data derived from witness recordings

Witness [001] analysis

witness [001]

scope: measure muzzle report to echo delay in order to determine shooter 
distances and, along with data from other witnesses, locations

video source:

* approx. distance to Mandalay shooter window: 1,146'
* approx. distance to center of concert area: 94'

* the following distances were averaged to plot witness circles:
    1000 + 1075 + 925 + 1000 + 840 + 930 / 6 = 961.67'

audio sample (h:m:s)    impact (h:m:s)  report (h:m:s)  delay (s)   distance (ft)
00:00:00-00:00:10 [1]
00:00:46-00:00:57       00:00:46.14     00:00:46.54     0.4         1000
00:00:46-00:00:57       00:00:55.86     00:00:56.3      0.44        1075
00:01:13-00:01:15       00:01:14.69     00:01:15.05     0.36         925
00:01:15-00:01:24       00:01:15.45     00:01:15.85     0.4         1000
00:01:42-00:01:53       00:01:43.12     00:01:43.44     0.32         840
00:01:42-00:01:53       00:01:51.55     00:01:51.91     0.36         930

[1] unable to obtain a good impact/report sample

Witness [003] analysis

witness [003]

scope: measure muzzle report to echo delay in order to determine shooter 
distances and, along with data from other witnesses, locations

reference video: A personal story on Vegas Concert
video source: (deleted)
witness name: Lisa Fine

* approx. distance to Mandalay shooter window: 1,186'
* approx. distance to center of concert area: 85'

* the following distances were averaged to plot witness circles:
    1040 + 1025 / 2 = 1032.5'

* it is assumed that some of the firing sequences in this sound track consist of 
bullet impacts followed by muzzle reports for the following reasons: 1) the 
shear sharpness of the higher frequency sounds preceding the lower amplitude and 
lower frequency sounds, 2) the 00:00:14-00:00:16, 00:02:37-00:02:44 and 
00:02:44-00:02:47 samples where apparently bullets can be heard striking objects 
in the vicinity of the witness, possibly glass in the 00:00:14-00:00:16 sample 
and metal in the 00:02:37-00:02:44 and 00:02:44-00:02:47 samples, and 3), 
because of the witness location which is much closer to the concert than to 
Mandalay Bay which would account for bullet impacts being recorded before muzzle 
* at 00:02:43.27, 00:02:45.9 and 00:02:46.3 there are bullet impacts that sound 
like they are extremely close to the witness - one of the latter two impacts, 
and i don't know which, may possibly be seen in image file 
"003-bullet-impact.png" - this could just be an anomaly in the video since this 
small bright area on the pole in front of the witness appears for only a single 
frame, however it does correspond with the spike in the audio that sounds like a 
bullet striking a metallic object

audio sample (h:m:s)    impact (h:m:s)  report (h:m:s)  delay (s)   distance (ft)
00:00:15-00:00:16 [1,2]
00:00:16-00:00:18 [1]
00:00:22-00:00:24       00:00:22.36     00:00:22.78     0.42        1040
00:01:26-00:01:29       00:01:27.72     00:01:28.13     0.41        1025
00:01:31-00:01:41 [1]
00:02:01-00:02:11 [1]
00:02:35-end      [1]

[1] unable to obtain a good impact/report sample
[2] breaking glass at 00:15:35-00:15:42

Witness [004] analysis

witness [004]

scope: measure muzzle report to echo delay in order to determine shooter 
distances and, along with data from other witnesses, locations

reference video: Las Vegas Shooting (FIRST SHOTS)  _RARE
video source:

* approx. distance to center of concert area: 156', 1,578'
* approx. distance to Paddock hotel room: 1,355', 2,033'

* the following distances were averaged to plot witness circles:
    1125 + 1110 / 2 = 1117.5'
* corrected distance is derived from the difference in feet from the witness 
location to the approximate center of the concert area in front of the stage 
where bullets impacted - this corrected difference is then added to the distance 
figures below
* from ~00:02:00 on, the witness is moving almost constantly and further away 
from the Mandalay Bay hotel, then moves slightly closer to it in the last few 

audio sample (h:m:s)    impact (h:m:s)  report (h:m:s)  delay (s)   distance (ft)
00:03:12-00:03:14 [2]
00:03:17-00:03:18       00:03:17.13     00:03:17.6      0.47        1125
00:03:19-00:03:21       00:03:19.65     00:03:20.11     0.46        1110
00:03:51-00:04:01 [2,6]
00:04:39-00:04:49 [2]
00:05:06-00:05:16 [2]
00:05:35-00:05:44 [2,3]
00:07:00-00:07:01 [2,4]
00:07:08-00:07:09 [2]
00:07:33-00:07:34 [1,2]
00:07:35-00:07:36 [1,2]
00:08:45-00:08:47 [1,2]
00:08:49-00:08:57 [1,2]
00:09:55-00:10:02 [1,2]
00:10:21-00:10:22 [1,2]
00:10:22-00:10:24 [5,2]
00:11:17-00:11:26 [1,2]
00:12:35-00:12:38 [1,2]
00:12:40-00:12:44 [2]
00:13:02-00:13:07 [2]

[1] possible rapid fire, very low amplitude
[2] unable to obtain a good impact/report sample
[3] no impacts detected
[4] possible impact or report, possible small-arms fire
[5] although the 00:10:22-00:10:24 sample closely follows the 00:10:21-00:10:22 
sample, the tone is noticeably different
[6] at approx. 00:03:53 in the video, there is a man in a white shirt on the 
left side of the frame that seems to drop to the ground as though he was shot in 
the head

Witness [005] analysis

witness [005]

scope: measure muzzle report to echo delay in order to determine shooter 
distances and, along with data from other witnesses, locations

video source: (deleted from YouTube) alternate video source:

* approx. distance to Mandalay shooter window: 1,081'
* approx. distance to center of concert area: 112'

* the following distances were averaged to plot witness circles:
    1110 + 1025 + 975 + 820 + 875 / 5 = 961

audio sample (h:m:s)    impact (h:m:s)  report (h:m:s)  delay (s)   distance (ft)
00:00:13-00:00:16       00:00:15.18     00:00:15.64     0.46        1110
00:00:18-00:00:28       00:00:18.28     00:00:18.69     0.41        1025
00:00:49-00:00:59 [1]
00:01:23-00:01:31       00:01:27.16     00:01:27.55     0.39        975
00:01:31-00:01:35 [1]
00:01:49-00:01:58 [2]   00:01:57.55     00:01:57.87     0.32        820
00:01:58-00:02:01 [3]   00:01:58.3      00:01:58.64     0.34        875

[1] unable to obtain a good impact/report sample
[2] sequence begins with a high amplitude, low frequency burst of about 8 shots 
which sound like muzzle reports, however the amplitude and frequency of the 
sounds is significantly different than the other muzzle reports in this video
[3] distance estimate appears to be wildly incorrect, especially given that the 
amplitude and frequency of the muzzle reports is similar to other samples in 
this video

Witness [006] analysis

witness [006]

scope: measure muzzle report to echo delay in order to determine shooter 
distances and, along with data from other witnesses, locations

reference video: Video Las Vegas shooting during concert WARNING Disturbing 
video source:

* approx. distance to Mandalay shooter window: 1,220'
* approx. distance to center of concert area: 125'

* the following distances were averaged to plot witness circles:

audio sample (h:m:s)    impact (h:m:s)  report (h:m:s)  delay (s)   distance (ft)
00:00:00-00:00:03 [1]
00:00:38-00:00:50 [1]
00:01:06-00:01:17       00:01:06.37     00:01:06.8      0.43        1060
00:01:36-00:01:45 [1]
00:02:36-00:02:37 [1]
00:03:41-00:03:43 [1]

[1] unable to obtain a good impact/report sample

Article resources

Following is a partial list of resources used to write this article.

Police reports

Misc. resources

Change log

Click to expand...


  • initial publication


  • added information about possible foreknowledge of the shooting
  • added information regarding the 'Stephanie' interview
  • misc. minor edits and typo corrections


  • minor corrections to witness [001] data
  • minor correction to witness [001] circle on map
  • removed the 'personal observations that are beyond the scope of this work' section in the 'general observations' file and incorporated it in the main body of this document


  • added info about the MGM stock sale
  • updated and edited other content


  • edited and clarified information regarding the gap between the converging circles around the witnesses and the Mandalay Bay hotel


  • major corrections to all of the witness data, however the results remain essentially the same
  • removed witness data that either was not relevant to my analysis, or where the witnesses were too far away from the festival to provide accurate data
  • uploaded new image files for most of this document and added a couple more


  • corrected some text in all of the witness analysis files (this has no effect upon the data)
  • added data for a new witness, [001], to replace the old data for the old [001] witness whose data was not usable
  • minor edits


  • polishing


  • fixed a broken link
  • added more info regarding FAA requirements for flying aircraft at night


  • edited video link for 'Stephanie' interview since YouTube deleted the original as part of their censorship campaign
  • typo correction


  • minor edits, polishing


  • added more info about the James Murren stock dump
  • added info about George Soros betting against MGM stock


  • added more info regarding the stock trades prior to the shooting
  • minor edits


  • mostly minor updates to content as per information released in the LVMPD Preliminary Investigative Report – 1 October / Mass Casulaty Shooting report dated 18-Jan-2018
  • expanded upon the use of diazepam by Paddock given info in the police report and other sources
  • added a 'Resources' section which lists some of the resources used to write this article
  • misc. minor edits


  • rewrote and rearranged a lot of content to make it more clear
  • expanded on the role diazepam may have played in the shooting
  • expanded on my personal observations
  • expanded on the 'evidence' section
  • misc. other edits


  • shuffled around and clarified some content
  • added a couple new resources
  • removed the entire section related to what i thought was an anomaly with the stairwell door – i since discovered there are two stairwell doors and i did not know this – sloppy work on my part
  • expanded a bit more on the role diazepam may have played in this shoting
  • polishing


  • re-titled and moved some things around
  • cleaned up formatting on the witness analysis data files


  • added a couple more resources with regard to diazepam
  • added a bit more info about diazepam


  • corrected some information regarding diazepam


  • added more info regarding Paddock's autopsy


  • added the video, Psychiatric Drugs Are More Dangerous than You Ever Imagined




  • added video, Reality Check: Mass Shootings & Psychiatric Drugs


  • added recently released MGM security cam video of Paddock's movements
  • minor edits


  • added missing resources
  • added link to article, Mental Health Watchdog Releases New Report on Link Between Psychotropic Drugs & School/Mass Shootings
  • minor edits


  • added missing data for witness [001]
  • polishing and fixing typos


  • updated resources section


  • added video 'The REAL Winners of V-e-G-a-$ MSM Doesn't Wanna Talk About!!'
  • minor edits
  • updated resources section


  • updated link to deleted YouTube video about Soros trading in MGM stock
  • added info about Jake Morphonios


  • updated broken link to Stephanie interview
  • minor edits


  • added resource article, 'Criminal Masterminds'


  • added link to final LVMPD police report
  • deleted the entire section regarding my theory that the 134-135 adjoining door may not have been subjected to an explosive breech as claimed by police – my reason for removing this is that, like any hotel room adjoining doors i have seen, there are two of them, each of which opens into the associated room, thus i think the image i had included only showed one of the doors – furthermore, it can be seen in the final LVMPD/FIT police report that the room 134 door was blown off its hinge and was lying on the floor of room 134
  • misc. minor edits and corrections


  • minor edit


  • fixed a couple broken links (YouTube censorship)


  • due to a reader comment, i realized that i may have been interpreting the supersonic sound waves of bullets as bullet impacts, thus i have corrected this in the article, however this error should not make any difference in my calculations since both the supersonic shock wave and bullet impact sounds would have reached the witnesses at the same time almost exactly – this is because the supersonic sound of a projectile emanates from the projectile and not the gun, thus the generation of the supersonic crack would have ended at the same time the bullet impacted an object
  • minor additions/corrections

One of those days…

Ever have 'one of those days'? Well, i just had two of them in a row, which happens to be the same number of days that i was a member of Bill Ryan's Project Avalon Forum before being given the boot :)

The trouble started when i replied to a post made by a very pro-Jewish (i was oblivious to this fact at the time) forum moderator regarding The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. My post prompted a most unusual, nonsensical, accusatory and childish backlash which included a public thrashing, a splitting of the thread to marginalize my post, and an ominous private message. Through the drama that ensued however, i accidentally discovered a most revealing bit of information regarding the Project Avalon Forum. It was was sent to me as a private message by a moderator.

If you're up for a little humor, lots of drama, an adventure into the world of "orbs", and something much more troubling, give my newest article a spin; Exposed: Bill Ryan's Project Avalon Forum.

Exposed: Bill Ryan and Project Avalon

In a community where truth and honesty are paramount, i found limitations upon what truths may be revealed and extreme penalties for exceeding them.

The Mafia

There exists a Sicilian Mafia. There exists a Russian mafia. Does speaking of these criminal organizations implicate the Italian or Russian people as a whole? These organizations consist of a tiny subset of mostly Italians and Russians, respectively. Similarly, there are also Jewish criminal organizations and, as with any other organized criminal network, when i speak of the Jewish-Zionist criminal cabal, aka the Khazarian Mafia, i am not implicating the Jewish people as a whole any more than i would be implicating all Italians when speaking of the Sicilian Mafia.

While one can openly criticize the Sicilian or Russian mafias, despite the fact that many Jews were key members (Meyer Lansky, Jack Ruby, Hymie Weiss, Bugsy Siegel, Semion Mogilevich, Monya Elson, Marat Balagula, Vyacheslav Ivankov, Vladimir Ginsberg, Ludwig Fainberg, etc.), exposing the names and activities of the Jewish-Zionist criminal cabal is a very slippery slope laden with land mines. While using the words "Italian" or "Russian" to describe the criminal activities of a few Italians or Russians is acceptable, one must be extraordinarily cautious when using the words "Jew", "Jewish" or "Zionist" when associating a few Jews with similar activities. Even when one chooses their words with the utmost care, there remains a very real risk of being targeted by powerful, pro-Jewish, pro-Zionist organizations, such as the Anti-Defamation League, the American-Israel Public Affairs Committee, or the mainstream U.S. democratic or republican parties, any of which are eager to label anyone critical of Jewry or Israel or Zionism as being Jew-hating, Nazi-loving anti-Semites. And if it is a Jew doing the criticizing, they are labeled as a "self-hating Jew".

The pressure applied by international Jewry upon the governments of many countries has resulted in legislation which has placed limits upon free speech. Once one is introduced to Jewish history and Zionist ideology, it becomes crystal clear why free speech is one of the most significant threats to the Jewish-Zionist criminal cabal who, in direct violation of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, lobbies to suppress free speech under the guise of combating "hate speech". Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states:

Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

I will close this section with the following quote from Kevin Alfred Strom (which is often incorrectly attributed to Voltaire):

To determine the true rulers of any society, all you must do is ask yourself this question: Who is it that I am not permitted to criticize?

The Forum

Project Avalon is a website run by Bill Ryan. The core of the site is the Project Avalon Forum where a wide variety of topics are discussed, many of which are related to the social and political problems we face today. Membership is restricted and involves submitting a lengthy application which asks for personally identifying information. This application is then reviewed by the moderator team and, i assume, Bill himself.

I once had a great deal of respect for Bill Ryan. He was a core member and, as i recall, co-founder of Project Camelot along with Kerry Cassidy, though they would later part ways. Project Camelot is rather well known among the alternative information and conspiracy communities for its large collection of video interviews with various whistleblowers, many of which are highly interesting and provocative. The interviewees consist of wide array of people alleging to be extraterrestrial contactees, whistleblowers, those with alleged connections to deep underground military bases (DUMBs), spiritual healers, intuitives, remote viewers, ex-government contractors, Illuminati insiders and many more. The list of names is long and includes names like Steven Greer, Bob Dean, Jordan Maxwell, David Wilcock and Jim Humble. While the credibility of some of these people cannot be questioned, it is not so clear in other cases and Kerry will often readily admit this, thus leaving the viewer to decide for themselves. Much to their credit, Project Camelot has never retracted an interview unless forced to do so, so far as i am aware.

Project Camelot was instrumental in the earlier years of my research into a variety of subjects, the study of which eventually resulted in an awakening of sorts or, more accurately, a radical transformation of my entire world view. Kerry represents the spiritual side of Camelot while Bill seemed to be more of a science-based guy, but with an open mind. He seems to have gravitated more toward the spiritual end of the spectrum at some point, which i think is great, except that he apparently left behind some basic principles of science and logic in the process, as i shall soon demonstrate.

Together Bill and Kerry made a brilliant team in my opinion. They were able to extract more information from a witness than either could have done alone. I didn't know if there was a romantic element, but i thought they would have made a great couple; Kerry, the intuitive shamanic type who just might bare her teeth if provoked, and Bill, the rough, outdoorsy mountain climber and quintessential gentleman. Behind the scenes however, a tension brewed that would eventually result in a parting of ways. I was quite saddened when i learned their paths would diverge and, as i'm sure many others had, i wondered whether Camelot would survive the loss of Bill, a crucial member.

At some point Bill Ryan created the Project Avalon Forum where he began to take a somewhat different direction than the Project Camelot platform. In the latter part of May, 2015, i decided to submit an application to join the forum and, after the obligatory and somewhat invasive approval process, i was quite pleased to have been accepted. Two days later my membership was terminated, making my stay at Avalon probably one of the shortest in the forums' history.

The Event

Precipitating my demise at the Project Avalon Forum was a thread that was started by Paul, apparently a senior forum moderator, which he titled 'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion' — and a call for a more benevolent leadership. Paul's post referred to a paper written by Miles Mathis, The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. I thought it was an interesting post but Mathis' paper did raise a few flags in my mind and so i wrote a reply to Paul's post (quoted at the end of this page) which pointed a finger at the Jewish-Zionist criminal cabal. I made it very clear, as i had done in an earlier post, that i was not targeting Jews in general:

were it just a history thing, i wouldn't care, but the history given to us by the victors of WW2 and the Jewish criminal cabal (and i am not saying Jews in general) has had, and continues to have an unbelievable (literally) impact upon our lives […]

Because of my perceived quality of the forum, as well as the subjects covered, i had assumed that a), many Avalon members were probably aware of the enormous political and social influence wielded by the Jewish-Zionist criminal cabal who, though they make up a tiny minority of Jews, occupy a significant portion of what many currently refer to as "the 1%", and b), that an Avalon moderator was likely of a higher caliber than other forum moderators in general and would thus be more fair and open minded. After all, topics in the forum include all sorts of conspiracy theories, chemtrails, eugenics, population control, mind control, the secret space program, etc.. My assumptions were grossly inaccurate.

My post prompted an immediate backlash from Paul who split the original thread, removing my post and isolating it in a new thread which was not available to the public (it is reproduced below) where he then proceeded to subject me to a virtual water-boarding. In addition, Paul sent me a rather ominous private message stating that i was probably not a good fit for the forum. While it was readily apparent that something very strange had just happened, i wasn't sure exactly what it was. Was Paul offended by my post because he may be Jewish? Or perhaps, like so many of us, he bought into the Jewish-Zionist-allied post World War II programming that we have been subjected to for the last seven decades or so. At any rate, i was stunned and wrote a lengthy rebuttal (also quoted below) to Paul's nonsensical and baseless accusations in which he essentially pasted the infamous anti-Semite sticky-note square upon my forehead after twisting my words in a childish attempt to make it stick better. Considering the writing i have done regarding Germany's role in World War II, Hitler, and the holocaust, other than a minuscule number of one-liner hate mails, virtually all of the feedback regarding my work has been either neutral or positive, making Paul's attack the first real accusation of anti-Semitism that has ever been leveled against me. I suppose i've been christened. Paul's answer to my lengthy rebuttal was to ignore every question, point and plea i had made:

Your abilities to rationalize your actions, and to misinterpret my warnings, are both considerable.

This is unfortunate.

Paul's non-answer answer immediately reminded me of this quote:

"Care must be taken not to give a platform for deniers… or seek to disprove the deniers' position through normal historical debate and rational argument" — Guidelines for Teaching about the Holocaust at the Stockholm International Forum, 2000

The Infiltration

So at this point it was pretty clear there was going to be a rift between Paul and myself and thus i started to question whether i wanted to remain a member of the Avalon community. Before finalizing my decision however, i decided to write the following private message to Sierra, another moderator, who i had picked at random since, other than Bill (and i didn't see the need to bother him with this), i knew none of the moderators:

do i fit here at avalon?

so i'm "the new guy" and already i have managed to get myself in some "hot water" it appears

my purpose in messaging you is to ask that you direct the other moderators to this thread which explains the situation:…-Zion&p=963660

i am NOT asking anyone to back me – my statement speaks for itself – what i would appreciate is knowing whether you folks think i fit in with this community, nothing more

is the subject matter which i addressed too controversial for this forum? i guess that is the decision i am asking you folks to make

thank you

Sierra's reply came a short time later. It was one of Impending Doom:

The moderator's have seen your thread (it has been reported) and no I don't think you fit. If you had replaced every single occurrence of the word "Jew" with "Zionist" you might have gained better traction in this moderated community, not to mention greater service to Truth.

Some of the very highest, and best people on Avalon are Jewish. We don't encourage the ancient and tiresome Blame the Jews Game.

We don't like the blame game period. Blame breeds hatred. Blame is the classic Illuminati tactic along with fear, to generate war, pain, suffering, and death. Blame is a complete (that's the entire point) waste of time. If you are busy dealing out blame, you are not working on your own spiritual evolution, now are you?

Regards, Sierra

Ah, so it's word games we must play; substitute "Jew" with "Zionist" since most people probably don't know what Zionism is, and point the finger at the illusive Illuminati, whoever they are, rather than the real criminals right under our noses, negatively impacting our everyday lives and wallets, such as the international Bankers who have verifiable names and affiliations and who are at the very center of the Jewish-Zionist criminal cabal. Unfortunately, pointing out the obvious, is obviously not allowed regarding certain topics at Avalon since the Jewish community there is tired of the "tiresome Blame the Jews Game". I get it! Unfortunately i 'got it' a little too late. The writing was clearly on the wall and, had i not asked to have my forum account terminated, there was no doubt it would only be a matter of time until i was banned.

More importantly, i now had an answer as to why Paul attacked both myself and my post; the Project Avalon Forum is staffed by unethical, biased Jews with questionable agendas, or at least some of them seemed to fall squarely into this category. Apparently Bill was fine with all of this because he later 'thanked' Paul for his post.

One of the primary purposes of Project Avalon is to discuss solutions to some of the biggest problems facing the world today. These problems obviously include politics, finance and the media, all of which are all heavily influenced by Jewish-Zionist interests. Who would be in a better position to deflect attention away from the cabal than those who are sympathetic to Zionist ideology? This is precisely what Sierra attempted to do when she/he made a laughable effort to shift the blame for war, pain, suffering and death upon the "Illuminati". This tactic of redirecting blame toward invisible foes is also used by people such as Alex "Bullhorn" Jones and other key players in the so-called 'alternative media' (and i am certainly not demonizing alternative media as a whole since it is clearly the only outlet for the truth in many cases). When Alex, who is either accidentally or willfully ignorant of historical facts, and i am quite certain it is the latter, is not busy demonizing Hitler and those "evil Nazis" for disarming the German population and putting fluoride in the public water supply to make them docile, as well as for the slaughter of six million Jews, he's fingering the next best target; the ever-illusive "Illuminati", a super-secret society that is often accused of running the world and which seems to morph into whatever demon best fits ones cause at any given moment.

There's something else of importance here that i failed to point out in the Avalon forum thread; Paul's original post was about a paper by Miles Mathis who Paul sees as "one of the best original thinkers of our time". The title of the paper is The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion and it was published in April, 2015. In it, Mathis attempts to make the case that the protocols were not authored by Jews at all, but rather by aristocrats, thereby absolving the Jewish elite of the dirty deed. Given what has already been revealed, i find that quite interesting. We have a forum where "Some of the very highest, and best people on Avalon are Jewish" in which a moderator who, at a minimum, is very protective of Jewry, is eager to shift the responsibility for authoring the protocols — a document which has been a constant thorn in the side of Jewry since it was exposed — to non-Jews. The irony is that the authenticity and author of the document are of no consequence because anyone who reads it with even a mediocre understanding of Jewish-Zionist influence and behavior will immediately realize that it aligns perfectly with what is happening in the world today. As far being "one of the best original thinkers of our time", consider what else Mathis has written about:

4/17/15, Stephen Hawking died and has been replaced. I show lots of photographic evidence that Hawking died in 1985 and has been played by an impostor since then.

4/3/15, The Boston Marathon Bombing Trial. I show you that the trial, like the event itself, is fake. Included is a brief analysis of the Gabby Giffords shooting, which is related.

2/25/15, The Patty Hearst Kidnapping was Fake. Also related commentary on Clint Eastwood and Dirty Harry.

11/2/14, The O. J. Simpson Trial was Faked, and so were the murders. Lots of photographic and legal evidence.

8/26/14, The Zodiac Murders were Faked. And so were the Houston and Cottingham murders.

8/3/14, Proof John Lennon's Death was Faked. Also includes a short analysis of Michael Jackson's alleged death.

6/29/14, The Tate Murders were Faked. That's right. Manson is another creation of the MATRIX. Over 80 pages of photographic evidence.

6/19/14, The Bikini Atoll Nuclear Tests Were Faked. Easy photographic evidence.

1/6/13, The Alleged Sandy Hook Tragedy. Another staged event.

His titles read like covers of The Enquirer. While i will be the first to admit that many things are not at all what they seem, and that i have only skimmed through a few of his papers and have not checked into his background, i suspect his articles are intended to act as distractions, just like The Enquirer, the "Illuminati" and, now, "the aristocrats". It looks to me as though Miles Mathis, in Alex Jones fashion, is yet another attention grabbing, fear-mongering mouthpiece who provides just enough believable material to keep his audience coming back for more.

In conclusion, it is my opinion that Bill Ryan and the members of Project Avalon have some important information to share, however i believe it is blatantly obvious that the Project Avalon Forum is heavily influenced by certain core members who are sympathetic to the aspirations of the Jewry and Zionist ideologies or, at the very least, have a strong desire to deflect any criticism of "gods chosen people". In a community where i would have thought truth and honesty were welcome assets among intelligent, open-minded people, i instead found limitations upon which truths are acceptable and that there are penalties for exceeding them.

The Orbs

Perhaps my debunking of Bills "Orbs" thread didn't exactly win me any friends either. Note that it is not Bill Ryan that i am singling out here, though admittedly i am casting a bit more light upon him since he is the Big Kahuna at Project Avalon and apparently has a background in math and science. His "orbs" thread was 12 pages long when i last checked and full of… orbers? Orbers are also found all over the interwebs. I must also state very clearly that in no way shape or form am i positing that the provable explanation i provide here for a particular type of "orb" explains every photograph of an orb, however there is no doubt in my mind that it does indeed explain many of the "orb" photographs found on the web at present and it almost certainly explains the photographs provided Bill Ryan. Lastly i am not claiming to be the first to debunk this type of "orb" phenomenon as many others have already done so, including some folks in Bill's own forum thread, however it appears they were ignored since, as humans, many of us prefer a mystery rather than simple explanations, even when the latter is backed by bullet-proof evidence.

For those that don't know what "orbs" are, well, it depends on who you ask but basically, for many people, they are anything other than what the type addressed here actually are: tiny floating debris (dust) captured in photographs. Some insist they are spiritual beings, guardians, energetic entities, fairies, probes, etc.. Here is what Bill says in his opening post regarding his experience:

Earlier this summer, I visited a grove of Giant Sequoia in Yosemite National Park with a good friend, another Avalonian. As the sun was setting, we were able to find one magnificent tree – a real beauty – which was not fenced off from the public.

We took a few photos… and were rewarded by a quite dazzling display of orbs. The high-resolution images are linked below (too large to post here)… and the detail is fascinating.

This was not pollen or dust. Immediately afterwards, I took another photo of the same tree without either of us in the picture – and the orbs had completely disappeared.

Here's one of the photographs Bill included in his post, showing him leaning against a tree, surrounded by "orbs":

Bill Ryan surrounded by orbs
Bill Ryan surrounded by "orbs"

And here is a crop of a 6 MP image i captured in a darkened hallway by sprinkling baking flour in front of the camera lens. Exposure, ISO and flash were set to 'auto':

Orbs created with baking flour
"Orbs" created by sprinkling baking flour in front of the camera lens (click to enlarge)

Many of us have probably seen dust floating through the air in our home during the early morning or late afternoon hours when a slice of bright sunlight is cutting through a room. Sometimes one can make out the actual fibers because your eye can focus on the dust that is illuminated by the sunlight. Many "orb" photographs are captured with cameras in low light conditions when the camera flash is triggered, as both Bills' and my photographs were, or there is another light source that is lighting up an area directly in front of the lens. Because the particles are so close to the lens and so well lit, and because the lens is focused on something in the distance, the particles are extremely blurred which causes them to appear much larger and more spherical in shape than they actually are. If you refer to the image with Bill in it, you will notice that all of the "orbs" are in front of him, rather than some being partially behind him as one might expect if he were surrounded by them.

This next one is an enlargement of the brightest particle from my "orb" image. These particles can look quite interesting, even resembling a living cell, complete with an outer membrane and nucleus:

A baking flour orb
A single "orb", which is actually a tiny particle of baking flour

So much for "orbs", at least those of this particular type. And i was sort of becoming fond of the little guys until a 10 minute science experiment revealed the truth.

The Disgruntled

While one may see this article as the result of a disgruntled forum member who was essentially given the boot, that is not the case and that is not what this is about. I think there are some very interesting discussions at Project Avalon, however if you read my other work, it is obvious that exposing hidden things is a sort of a passion of mine. I would also make the following points: 1), i was a member for only two days, so it's not like i had a lot of time invested in the forum. 2), i was the the victim of a moderator's wrath and because of the tension which was likely to persist, i wasn't overly anxious to remain there. 3), i wasn't banned; i requested that my account be deleted:

Request to be banned from Project Avalon Forum

The Post

This is Paul's post which i would later comment on. Paul seems to be a key moderator at the Project Avalon Forum:

"The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" — and a call for a more benevolent leadership

Miles Mathis, in my view one of the best original thinkers of our time, has a new paper out on THE PROTOCOLS of the Learned Elders of Zion (pdf).

Miles (as he usually does) takes a fresh look at his chosen topic. He finds evidence within this renowned document that it was written at the behest of European royalty, in the late 1800's, who were finding themselves on what would prove to be the losing end of an epic struggle with the Banksters (financially most powerful families). He reads the document as a defense of the benefits of rule by royalty, and an attack on the dangers of rule by financiers.

But then, after spending the first half of this modest (just 12 pages of quite readable prose) paper analyzing the protocols, Miles then takes a surprising (to me) and delightful twist, and proposes a way out of this mess … the first such proposal that I've seen that I find persuasive and plausible (sorry Wade F and Dennis L <grin> <hugs>.)

I recommend the above paper to your consideration.

You can find more such fine work at Miles' website: The personal art and counter-criticism site of MILES WILLIAMS MATHIS. See especially his Updates page to get links to his latest papers and commentary.

The Reply

This is my reply to Paul's post which prompted the backlash:

"The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" — and a call for a more benevolent leadership

i like this guy – he seems pretty sharp – thanks for the post Paul

ok, so some feedback on this paper …

Mathis thinks that the the Jewish elites would not use the blunt language that is used in the protocols…

"In the same way, the title "WE SHALL DESTROY GOD" is overplayed. Although I think the financiers have long been trying to destroy organized religion, I do not think they would put it this way in their own documents. They don't need to "destroy God," since they don't believe in him. They might talk about destroying Christianity, or destroying belief in God, but not about destroying God. For them, that would be like saying WE SHALL DESTROY SANTA CLAUS."

not sure it's at all important to argue the point, but i would argue the point

here are some quotes from various Jewish-Zionist elites – i have not verified some of these to the n'th degree, but i believe them to be authentic…

"The killing by a Jew of a non-Jew, i.e. a Palestinian, is considered essentially a good deed, and Jews should therefore have no compunction about it." — Yitzhak Ginsburg 'Five General Religious Duties Which Lie Behind the Act of the Saintly', Rabbi Baruch Goldstein, 'May his Blood be Avenged'

"There is only one power which really counts. The power of political pressure. We Jews are the most powerful people on earth, because we have this power, and we know how to apply it." — Vladimir Jabotinsky, Jewish Daily Bulletin, July 27, 1935

"Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel. Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat. That is why gentiles were created." — Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, head of Shas Council of Torah Sages during a sermon delivered Oct. 2010 in Jerusalem

"We Jews, we, the destroyers, will remain the destroyers for ever. Nothing that you will do will meet our needs and demands. We will for ever destroy because we need a world of our own…" — Maurice Samuels, You Gentiles, 1942

then he gets into more into who wrote the document and the blame game…

"they are trying to pin everything on the Jews, but we know that all the top financiers are not Jews. So why would the aristocrats imply they are? Because some of the top financiers are Gentiles who ditched the aristocracy and put their cards in with the new money. But since the aristocrats are all about blood, they don't wish to attack their own."

i just think that's an important point to remember for those that rail against the Jews, forgetting about everyone else, however there is something more interesting about this statement…

in spite of what i said about putting too much focus on the Jewish elites, they happen to be a very hot topic for me at this particular time – i don't know where Mathis is from, but in the U.S. there is no doubt the Jewish elite enjoy an extreme degree of control and influence in all major areas, especially politics and finance – no way will one ever win a presidency without the approval and media coverage and financial contributions provided by Jewish lobby groups, period, and this goes back to, and includes, J. Kennedy who made deals with Israel to become pres, which was by a very slim margin as i recall – all went south when he started putting pressure on Ben-Gurion, Dimona and one of the Jewish lobby groups according to Michael C. Piper who wrote a very good book on the assassination which makes a strong, well referenced case for Israeli/Mossad involvement in the killing.

Mathis seems to be saying that the aristocrats are existentially using the Jews as a tool to divert blame, and given the overwhelming influence of the the Jewish cabal in the U.S. and elsewhere, i would have to question that, though, admittedly, i have sometimes wondered if what Mathis is implying is exactly correct, but how can he be correct given the blatantly obvious influence of the Jews in the U.S.?

continuing with the same paragraph…

"In this way, they are like the Jews they criticize. For all of them, blood is blood, even after it has committed treason."

not sure i'm understanding this correctly, but if he's implying that Jews stick together, rather than the aristocrats, he's dead wrong according to my understanding – for example, there are a lot of anti-Zionist Jews, even in Israel, and many factions of Jews (actually, apparently 80-85% of the Jews calling themselves Jews in Israel aren't Jews at all, but rather descendants of the Khazars)

"If aliens are watching us—as some think—and if they were given permission to break the non-interference clause, they would change human society most quickly by targeting a few dozen people. If they replaced the right 50 people, say, with benevolent look-alikes, human history would reverse overnight."

well, something's going to have to happen 'cause we ain't gonna vote our way out

so then he continues with how to speed-up the inevitable by working with and educating (or re-educating) the elites – great, i'm all for it. here's another solution: ignore them – plant a garden, don't buy garbage, dump the boob-tube, take your shoes off and go play with the kids outside – the machine will grind itself to death without any assistance

either way, education is key; how can we educate the masses before the whole house goes up in flames?


are we doing EXACTLY what we are SUPPOSED TO BE DOING?

maybe we're supposed to be killing and polluting and acting like idiots – maybe that is the entire reason for the human experience – maybe it's true that there must be balance and you must have evil to have good

personally i think that's a relevant question, however i also think that it is extremely dangerous to not know the correct answer and since i don't know the answer, i have to do what feels right and it sure as hell doesn't feel right so sit back and watch the world burn

The Wrath

Paul's reply to my post:

Re: Split thread from "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion"

My reasons for splitting the above three posts off from the original thread where they were posted, "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" — and a call for a more benevolent leadership, are as follows.

That original thread presented a paper by Miles Mathis: THE PROTOCOLS of the Learned Elders of Zion (pdf).

Miles' paper discusses a well known historical document entitled "THE PROTOCOLS of the Learned Elders of Zion" (which I will term "The Protocols", below.) In Miles' paper, he presents the position that The Protocols were commissioned by the European aristocrats who were at the time (late 1800's) being defeated by some very powerful financial families, some of whom were Jewish. As Miles documents, The Protocols present these aristocrats in a favorable light, and these Jewish (some of them were Jewish) financiers in a dreadful light.

As Miles documents in his paper, The Protocols are (in his words) "a strange mixture of truth and propaganda, and you have to enter the bog with a pretty good map to make it to the other side."

  • The opening post of this split thread confused a paragraph very specifically discussing whether Zionists would want to DESTROY GOD, with discussing whether Zionists would want to use strong language in general. There is no basis for that confusion in Miles' paper – even the very paragraph quoted from Miles on this, in the opening post above, makes that very, very clear. Nonetheless, the opening post of this split thread did confuse the two, using the confusion to justify including several incendiary Zionist supremacist quotations. Such a flimsy excuse for such a blatant distraction is not appropriate in my book.
  • The PROTOCOLS of the Elders of the Zion were clearly written during and discussing events over a century ago in Europe, but the opening post of this split thread takes Miles' paper to task for its lack of a more detailed discussion of Zionist influence on the US in recent decades, saying "how can he [Miles] be correct given the blatantly obvious influence of the Jews in the U.S.?".The opening post of this thread then uses that confusion to justify introducing several hot button topics, such as JFK's assassination, Jewish lobby groups, and a book by Michael C. Piper, that have in a time long after The Protocols were written. Such blatant confounding of the historical time line is not appropriate in my book.(Note also the opening post of this thread drops all qualifications such as "financiers" or "Zionists", and out right targets "the blatantly obvious influence of the Jews in the U.S.". I am not optimistic that such careless use of language was accidental.)
  • The opening post of this split thread presents the following quote from Miles' paper:"In this way, they are like the Jews they criticize. For all of them, blood is blood, even after it has committed treason."It (the opening post) then goes on to wonder whether the quote refers to the aristocrats or the Jews as sticking together "blood is blood". An even slightly larger variant of that quote would make it transparently clear that Miles was saying that for the aristocrats, blood is blood:"But since the aristocrats are all about blood, they don't wish to attack their own. In this way, they are like the Jews they criticize. For all of them, blood is blood, even after it has committed treason. Maybe they hope to turn these treasonous Gentile bluebloods back to the true path."However, the opening post of this split thread uses the excuse that perhaps Miles means is "implying that Jews stick together" to take stabs at the lack of solidarity amongst Jews. Such blatant inability to read is not appropriate in my book.

This topic, perhaps as much as any is both (1) important to understanding our human predicament, and (2) a bog filled (quite deliberately) with numerous landmines.

Accurate reading and historical perspective are vital to these discussions, and to improving our human predicament.

Perhaps the opening poster said it best: "in spite of what i said about putting too much focus on the Jewish elites, they happen to be a very hot topic for me at this particular time".

Please do not allow the heat of the topic to short circuit logic or discernment, especially on such important topics.

I will endeavor to keep discussions of important topics on this forum productive, and to keep out, by whatever measures are necessary, disruptions that are more driven by heat than by logic or discernment. Thread splitting, as I have done here, is just one of the several tools that we have available to us.

The Rebuttal

My rebuttal to Paul's attack:

Re: Split thread from "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion"

wow-wee – the iron hammer falls squarely upon e.Man's head – have to say that i didn't see that one coming

It seems to me however that your beef with my post is not about *what* i wrote or the several "infractions", if you will, that you have pointed out, but rather *who* i wrote about. Please, allow me to elaborate…

Were we talking about the Italian mafia, and i said "Italian elites", would you have taken such drastic action as to isolate my posts, chastise me publicly and send a rather threatening PM?

But the Jewish mafia, well that's a whole new ball-game, isn't it? As soon as the word "Jew" or "Jewish" comes into play, it is automatically hate speech and it seems pretty clear to me that this is essentially what i am being accused of, under the guise of not following protocol and straying off topic. There can be criticism of an Italian criminal cabal, but not of a Jewish criminal cabal, is that it? That is surely the sense i am getting here, as i think i can make clear.

Let me begin my defense by expanding upon a statement i made earlier, emphasis added this time…

"were it just a history thing, i wouldn't care, but the history given to us by the victors of WW2 and the Jewish criminal cabal (and i am not saying Jews in general) has had, and continues to have an unbelievable (literally) impact upon our lives, politics, the media, finance, etc., and i personally think that that it is important to understand the real history and motives in order to better access and develop solutions for the many problems we face"

Let there be no mistake whatsoever regarding my overall position regarding Jews…

1. I am not racist, nor do i hate people based on their religion, color, history, beliefs, appearance, etc., nor am i currently, or have i ever been a member of any race-centric organization, which includes the nazis, neo-nazis, skin-heads, kkk, white supremacists, or any other hate-based or race-based org, nor do i view my race as superior to another, nor do i view me as superior to others.

2. Although i made it clear earlier, i think i'd better expand upon my statement "and i am not saying Jews in general". Again, had the discussion been about any people other than the Jews, i would seriously question such a backlash would have occurred. Nevertheless, there are criminal organizations that are centered around races, religions and ideologies (the Italian mafia for example, right?). So what's wrong with "the Jewish mafia"? Or the "Jewish criminal cabal"? Or the Jewish elites? Does speaking of the Italian mafia/cabal/elites imply all Italians? Of course not; it implies a tiny subset of Italians who happen to be criminals. There is no difference when i refer to the Jewish cabal/mafia. It is not the Jewish people at large that are remotely responsible for many of the problems we face today – quite the opposite – they themselves are perhaps the biggest victims of the Jewish-Zionist elite! I have no more of a beef with Jews or those who call themselves Jews or those who are Jewish anymore than i have with Italians or those who call themselves Italians or Christians.

We have problems in our social and political systems – lots of problems – and knowing who is responsible and why is, in my opinion, necessary to developing relevant solutions to those problems, not that the Jewish-Zionist elites are responsible for all the worlds problems by any stretch, but the fact is that they are responsible for a lot of the most significant problems (if you want to look at it that way – another way to look at is is that we, the 99%, allowed these problems to manifest).

Now if you want to accuse me of being critical of the Jews, fine; i stand absolutely guilty! But understand that i am not singling out the Jews; i am singling out the "1%", Jewish or otherwise, who are the unethical criminals driving policy. Many, but certainly not all Jews, have been brainwashed into accepting the philosophy of their criminal leaders, just as many, but not all non-Jews have been brainwashed in a similar manner. In that vain, yes, i am critical of the Jews – and of all of the rest of us – for swallowing the poison doled out by the 1%.

You then go on to quote me:

"Perhaps the opening poster said it best: "in spite of what i said about putting too much focus on the Jewish elites, they happen to be a very hot topic for me at this particular time"."

You criticize me as though focusing on a single topic is… what? bad? Or is it because Jewry is the topic? Should one be criticized for focusing your attention on your passion because of the subject matter? Or admitting that they are interested in a particular topic? I think your statement is based upon semantics and i think there is little doubt that it is the sensitive subject matter that is the core issue.

Here you state that i misinterpreted something written by Mathis. Again, semantics. My first question is whether my alleged misinterpretation is grounds for the rather brutal flogging i have been subjected to? Am i, or anyone, expected to interpret things as you interpret them? Of course not, but again, i don't think the issue is my interpretation at all.

Emphasis added…

"The opening post of this split thread confused a paragraph very specifically discussing whether Zionists would want to DESTROY GOD, with discussing whether Zionists would want to use strong language in general."

Did i really misinterpret what Mathis said? Well, let's have a look – he states:

"Why do I think the Protocols are fiction? Because they taste like fiction. They don't read like the real minutes of a meeting, nor like a game plan, nor like a white paper. The psychology is all wrong. People don't talk about themselves this way. Jewish leaders would whitewash their own actions far better than this, even talking amongst themselves. Despots never call themselves despots, for example. No matter how Machiavellian leaders are, they always try to sugarcoat their actions, especially to themselves. As an example, we can study Protocol 4:


It is blatantly clear to me that Mathis is using this protocol to make a point regarding the language used in the protocols. The content of the protocol he quotes is completely irreverent.

My rebuttal to Mathis was to demonstrate that some Jewish-Zionist elites do, in fact, use such brutal and blunt language and therefore the accuracy of his statement is somewhat questionable in my mind.

Continuing with your opinions…

"The PROTOCOLS of the Elders of the Zion were clearly written during and discussing events over a century ago in Europe, but the opening post of this split thread takes Miles' paper to task for its lack of a more detailed discussion of Zionist influence on the US in recent decades, saying "how can he [Miles] be correct given the blatantly obvious influence of the Jews in the U.S.?"."

You're reading into my statements something that simply isn't there and, again, is staggeringly trivial. I never criticized Mathis for not writing more regarding the Jewish-Zionist influence – i simply asked a question. My full quote ( i see that "existentially" should have been "essentially"):

"Mathis seems to be saying that the aristocrats are existentially using the Jews as a tool to divert blame, and given the overwhelming influence of the the Jewish cabal in the U.S. and elsewhere, i would have to question that, though, admittedly, i have sometimes wondered if what Mathis is implying is exactly correct, but how can he be correct given the blatantly obvious influence of the Jews in the U.S.?"

As for your critique of my indiscriminate "influence of the Jews in the U.S." statement, granted, i could have been more specific, however i would also argue that the Jews in general, because of this criminal cabal, enjoy some benefits in the U.S. that they may not otherwise have. It's like being the white person on the bus; you may not hate blacks or agree that Rosa should be restricted to a particular seat, but nevertheless you benefit because you're white in that you can sit wherever you wish.

This is really quite amazing to me – i can't imagine anyone being targeted for the utterly trivial things i am being targeted for here. Your criticism of me is based almost entirely on semantics. Again, this strongly indicates to me that it is not the overall subject matter that i am being water-boarded for, but rather it is because you simply don't like what i have to say. Were this thread about anything other than Jews and Zionism, would i really be taken to task over asking a simple question that is quite obviously very relevant to the topic? And what is wrong with taking Mathis to task, as you put it? Am i not allowed to challenge the statements people make? Or might it be that i am not allowed to question those for which you apparently have a great deal of respect for? I don't [think] any of these is the issue. I think it's my challenging a criminal cabal — the 1%, a healthy portion of which happens to be Jewish — and pointing out that they're Jewish.

This is not about straying off-topic or criticizing people or my alleged misunderstanding of what Mathis wrote or minor infractions which are being blown way out of proportion; it is about me criticizing people who you do not wish to see criticized. Since you do not seem to have the hutzpa to admit this (and i'm sorry, i don't know how else to out it), you are twisting what i have said to make it appear that i am antisemitic and, in turn, using that invented assumption against me in what is an obvious effort to have me ejected from this forum.

I understand why that is and i suspect it isn't personal, but i had hoped that the moderators of this particular forum, even if they do not agree with someone, would not try to vilify and threaten those they do not agree with and do so under false pretenses.

This is a perfect example of what i mean (emphasis added):

"The opening post of this thread then uses that confusion to justify introducing several hot button topics, such as JFK's assassination, Jewish lobby groups, and a book by Michael C. Piper, that have in a time long after The Protocols were written. Such blatant confounding of the historical time line is not appropriate in my book."

Here it is glaringly obvious that you are attacking me for the reason that you perceive your knowledge of history to be accurate, while mine is not. Have you read Piper's book? Have you seriously studied the history you claim i am blatantly confounding? Do you deny the overwhelming power that Jewish lobby groups posses in the U.S. political sphere? Really? Am i not allowed an opinion that you find objectionable?

Since my membership is apparently on the line here because "Such blatant confounding of the historical time line is not appropriate in my book" and other statements, i think it is only fair that i be permitted to request that you provide evidence that reinforces your opinion that my knowledge of the historical and current facts i have discussed in my original post are in error, including the power of the Jewish lobby groups in the U.S. and Zionist philosophy in general. Or that i be permitted to make my case.

I think the rest of your concerns with my post were pretty much addressed in what i have said thus far, so i won't bother to comment upon them unless requested.

Lastly, i would welcome any and all moderators to read this post and make a decision as to whether i fit in here. If not, that is fine, but i prefer to know now rather than 6 months or a year down the road.

One of the primary purposes of this forum, according to my understanding, is to find ways to dig us out of the immense hole we have excavated for ourselves through complicity, politics, pollution, broken social, education and monetary systems, etc.. It is my opinion that, in order to best do that, it might be a good idea to have a clear understanding of the specifics that led to this mess in the first place. I am not saying that this is the only way or even the right way to solve our problems, but i think it is a possibly way and all i can do is what i think is right.

If we cannot discuss who caused these problems and name names, than it is my opinion that the effectiveness of any given solution may be compromised. If you get bit by a dog, there are all kinds of solutions that can be developed to avoid a future attack; you can stay indoors; you can avoid the area where you were bit; you can kill all the dogs, etc., but wouldn't knowing which dog bit you be of great value in developing a relevant solution? How do you know that all dogs will act in the same way?

In this silly geo-political game today, there's a lot of dogs. I happen to be focused on one of them at this particular time, more or less, and that dog happens to be the Jewish-Zionist criminal cabal that is, provably, blatantly and factually influencing our lives – your life. When we speak of the 1%, it is Jewish elites that make up a large portion of that 1%. Are we to assume there is no organization among them? It isn't my fault – that's the way it is. And avoiding taboo subject matter is not, to me, how you solve problems.

I am sorry, but i am not at all afraid to point out the obvious, i don't give a rats ass who gets implicated. Let the chips fall where they may.

So i'm sure some will be wondering what my solutions might be? Simple; EDUCATION!

I don't want to put the Bush's, the Cheney's, the Wolfiwitz's or the Netanyahu's in prison … well, ok, i sorta do, but i'd rather change their way of thinking. Karma, you know? What comes around, goes around, and violence (and i see imprisonment as violent) is not the best answer in my opinion.

The Jews as a whole are not the problem, but when there is a blatantly obvious effort by a Jewish-Zionist criminal cabal to screw the rest of us and the Earth for their own self-serving benefit, INCLUDING THE JEWISH PEOPLE, i'll be damned if i'm going to refrain from pointing that out because it's not politically correct to criticize Jews. How can you talk about the Italian mafia without mentioning "Italian"? And when you do talk of this, there are probably very few people that assume you are talking about the Italian people as a whole. But the Jewish mafia? Whole different story, isn't it? Swap out ONE WORD and all of a sudden you're an anti-Semitic, Jew-bashing neo-nazi skin-head who hates every Jew that was ever born, not that i'm accusing you personally of going that far in your written critique of me, but that does seem to be the implication, at least to some degree.

I'm not asking or expecting anyone to agree with me. I know full well the programming that we all have been subjected to for nearly 7 decades regarding Germany's role in WW2 and the Jews. All i am asking is that you allow me the opportunity to make a case and, if i am not welcome to do that, then, by all means, dump me because i defiantly do not belong here.

I will close with this quote:

"To determine the true rulers of any society, all you must do is ask yourself this question: Who is it that I am not permitted to criticize?" — Kevin Alfred Strom

The Finale

Paul would counter my lengthy, heart-felt plea by ignoring it entirely:

Re: Split thread from "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion"

Your abilities to rationalize your actions, and to misinterpret my warnings, are both considerable.

This is unfortunate.