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Las Vegas Shooting 1-Oct-2017: An acoustic analysis

See the change log at the end of this document for the complete history of revisions.


First and foremost, my heart goes out to everyone affected by this event.

If you were one of the many eyewitnesses that were present at the Route 91 Harvest Festival in Las Vegas on 1-Oct-2017, then know that this work is dedicated primarily to you and i humbly request that you read though it, understand it and, whether you agree with it or not, please share it since others may find it useful. Unlike others who are capitalizing on this event, i am gaining nothing from my work, but it pains me rather deeply that so many of you are being given answers that, in my opinion, are deeply flawed and so i’d like to make an attempt to provide some answers that are hopefully more accurate than some of the garbage floating around on the web.

Anyone who has researched the events of this mass-shooting has very likely come across many claims from eyewitnesses and others regarding multiple gunmen acting either in concert with, or in place of the alleged gunman (at the time of this writing there is no concrete proof to my knowledge), Stephen Craig Paddock and it is this facet of the event which i choose to investigate.

First, let me be clear about how the term “multiple gunmen” is used here. Like many others, i have come across a plethora of reports of multiple shooting incidents at various locations including the Bellagio, Caesars Palace, Planet Hollywood, Tropicana, Hooters and others. Police apparently sent strike teams to investigate each of these reports and found that all of them were without merit according to the police scanner audio. Regarding the alleged shooting at Hooters and reports of bodies being carried out, it appears that this location was used as a staging area for emergency vehicles. I am not necessarily discounting reports of events occurring at locations other than at the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino and the Route 91 Harvest Festival at this point, however the scope of this analysis was purposely limited as to whether or not more than one gunman targeted the festival specifically, as well as to determine the approximate location of the shooter or shooters. Many witnesses have stated, to varying degrees of certainty, the possibility of multiple gunmen targeting the festival audience and i hope to shed some light in this regard which i’m sure many victims, their families and people in general are seeking.

Perhaps many are aware of the acoustic analysis preformed by Mike Adams of Natural News in which he claims to have proven that there was indeed a second gunman targeting the venue. Mike stated in his video that he performed a forensic spectral analysis of audio samples recorded by one or more witnesses in order to reach his conclusion. He further states that the entire process consumed only about three hours of his time during an afternoon and i honestly have to wonder what kind of scientific forensic analysis can be preformed in just three hours? Furthermore, to my knowledge, Mike has not followed up on his initial findings in order to locate the second shooter he claims existed, even though he stated that doing so would be rather trivial. Why not?

Personally i think Adams is acting very irresponsibly by promoting what he himself admits is an unfinished analysis, across multiple high-traffic websites including YouTube, Veterans Today, Shooting News and Natural News (his own website), with seemingly little regard for how such information may negatively impact the victims, their families and the public in general if it is incorrect, as i do believe it is and as i think my own data demonstrates. His YouTube video, Forensic acoustic proof of SECOND shooter in the Las Vegas massacre, has received over a million views as of this writing and he continues to capitalize upon this massacre with several follow-up videos, including another clickbait title, The public astonished to discover this PROOF of a second Las Vegas shooter. Lastly, Mike did not publish the math he used to calculate ballistics and bullet impact to delay times so far as i am aware and therefore his conclusion cannot be considered to be a result of a “forensic acoustic analysis” as far as i’m concerned.

There are real human victims of this slaughter and i’m sure that many of those left alive to grieve are desperate for answers. When these already damaged people come across a half-baked “forensic acoustic analysis” which “proves” there was a second gunman, i think they are being sent down a sensationalist rabbit hole that can only add to the pain they already carry.

That said, i have to credit Mike for inspiring me to pick up where he left off. After watching and listening to several of the videos recorded by eyewitnesses, i was also quite certain that there was more than one shooter initially because i thought i clearly heard overlapping gunfire and very different tones of gunfire which would strongly indicate a second gunman. The possibility of a second shooter did not surprise me in the least, but that’s another story, suffice to say that i’m aware of the bigger picture and how events like this are often manufactured and used for political purposes. Also it must be considered that there is evidence of foreknowledge of this event, one piece of which are the several posts on the public message board 4chan on 10-Sep-2017, roughly three weeks prior to the attack, by someone identifying them self as “john”:

The Las Vegas mass-shooting and the "john" posts on 4chan
Three posts by “john” on the 4chan message board dated 10-Sep-2017 that indicate foreknowledge of the 10-Sep-2017 mass-shooting in Las Vegas

Another potential piece of evidence results from statements made to the media by an alleged eyewitness, Brianna Hendricks, who stated that a woman, accompanied by a male subject, pushed her way to the front row of the concert and told people that they were all going to die approximately 45 minutes prior to the time the shooting began. Brianna further stated that…

It seemed she was telling us to either warn us, or she was part of it and she was telling us because she knew we were going to die. It was so scary.


It felt like she had knowledge of what was about to happen.


She said they’re all around us and we were going to die.

According to Snopes (a highly dubious resource if ever there was one) who claims to have interviewed Brianna, the witness later altered her story. If this is true, could such alterations be the result of pressure upon her to conform to an official narrative, or did Brianna really feel that her original statements were inaccurate and wanted to amend them? We don’t know, but given the details she provided in her statement to the press, i suspect something closer to the former. Perhaps the bigger question is why the LVMPD has failed to comment regarding the statements made by Brianna Hendricks.

It is also quite interesting that, similar to the alleged insider trading prior to the September 11, 2001 attack in the U.S., James Murren, the CEO of MGM Resorts International which owns the Mandalay Bay, dumped 259,760 shares of stock on the 7th of September, 2017, and another 34,390 shares on the 8th for a total value of $10,024,632 and he did so during a time when the value of the stock was apparently rising. The day after the shooting MGM Resorts International stock fell 5.7%. From Disobedient Media:

It’s currently unclear why Murren chose to sell when he did. To date, MGM’s stock has not experienced a significant decline in value due to the repurchasing program. It could be interpreted to run against the company’s interests for the CEO to convey a sense of urgency in the selling of his shares by disposing of them immediately after the commencement of his company’s share repurchase program. It’s also strange that the CEO of a company would sell more than half of their stake (let alone 80%) in the company that they represented.

Further details regarding these stock transactions can be found at The Ledger Gazette.

James Murren was not the only one who profited big as a result of the decrease in the MGM stock value. On August 14, 2017, George Soros placed a put call for 1,350,000 shares on MGM Resorts International for a profit of $42,242,000. And there were many more. See the article Insider Trading and Financial Anomalies Surrounding the Las Vegas Attack.

Returning to the primary topic, Mike Adams and others massaged my curiosity enough that i decided to dive in and see what i could find regarding multiple shooters targeting the venue. I wanted to see if i could determine the locations of where several witness captured their videos so i could plot them on a map and use that in conjunction with the audio they recorded in order to calculate bullet impact to muzzle report delay times which could then be used to determine whether there were multiple gunmen, as well as their potential locations.

The sounds of bullet impacts and muzzle reports needs to be thoroughly addressed because it is precisely here at the earliest point in this event that i believe there is a huge misunderstanding that is held not only by many of the people that were present at the concert that night, but also by others who are researching this event. The misunderstanding that has led to the multiple shooter theory at the venue is, i believe, largely a result of the fact that there were mostly two, very distinct gun related sounds that night, one being generated by bullets impacting the asphalt and other objects at the venue, and the other being produced by the muzzle report of the weapon. The bullet impacts most often have a higher frequency, a shorter duration, and are of a higher amplitude. In other words, they are louder and sharper, sounding much more like a “crack” than a “bang”, while the muzzle report — the sound emanating from the barrel of the gun — sounded more like a “bang” and was not generally as loud at the concert area, at least according to the audio samples i have analyzed. I suspect that more than one witness who can be heard stating that the gunfire did not sound authentic, said so because they queued in more on the bullet impacts than the muzzle reports which followed shortly thereafter. This is a completely innocent mistake, one which i initially made myself even though i am familiar with guns. It is also a harmful mistake however in that this misunderstanding alone seems to be sending people off on wild goose chases which only further muddy the waters and, worse, may add to the trauma felt by those who witnessed this event firsthand. Another interesting aspect that was likely in play during this event is something called normalcy bias which is basically where the mind tries to put a shocking event like being fired upon into a normal context so that it doesn’t have to deal with reality.

Personal observations

Regarding the “taxi” video of which my copy is titled Vegas Shooting Taxi Driver’s Video ! Must Watch B4 Well You Know , The Take Down !, it seems this video in particular has attracted a lot of attention from prospective investigators.

The video was recorded by a woman operating a taxi in very close proximity to the Mandalay Bay hotel main entrance near the same wing and just 32 floors below where the sniper nest is alleged to have been. In it there are several rapid fire sequences that are very loud and very clear and which are obviously indicative of gunfire, however in the very same video can be heard gunfire which sounds quite muffled and much farther away. The driver even remarks about this, stating that the gunfire sounds “like it’s coming from farther away”. It seems many have concluded that this is proof of a second shooter, but this conclusion does not seem to be backed by any serious thought or analysis. Having said that, i must admit that i too had assumed that multiple shooters were firing from very different locations when i initially listened to this video, but i eventually realized that there may be a couple of less dramatic explanations, such as; what if the the shooter in the Mandalay Bay hotel room turned away from the window in order to fire at threat inside the hotel? Could this have been when the security guard, Jesus Campos, was shot at? Could this have been when the police first approached the room? Could this have been when Paddock (allegedly) sprayed bullets down the hall? We are told that the gunman fired approximately 200 rounds through the front door of the suite at Campos and possibly others. If that is true, then Paddock, assuming he was the shooter, would have moved away from the window and this certainly would have resulted in a dramatic difference in the way the gunfire sounded to anyone outside the hotel.

Paddock Mandalay Bay Hotel Suite

Some have speculated that the shooter could have been firing from the broken window nearest the taxi (the bedroom window where the red circle on the left is in the image above) when the louder shots were recorded and then moved to the farther window closer to the venue when the duller shots were recorded, or perhaps even visa-versa, but if we assume the police reports are accurate, the gunman apparently never fired from the bedroom, the door of which was apparently barricaded and the contents of which allegedly contained no bullet casings or weapons. That the window was smashed out of the second bedroom, and that one or both of its doors were apparently barricaded, does raise other questions, however i suspect one possible reason for this may be that the gunman could have detected someone just outside of, or trying to enter the hotel room and therefore the second sniper position was barricaded and abandoned before it was ever used. Or perhaps it was done just to create a diversion so police wouldn’t know for certain from which window the fire was originating, but then why barricade the door?

Regarding the completely baseless speculation that there was a sniper in a helicopter firing on the crowd, good luck proving that a), it happened and b), that a legally required anti-collision beacon or strobe light, which happens to be flashing terribly out of sync with the gunfire, is actually muzzle flashes. As per the FAA Night Operations Handbook for aircraft, chapter 13, pg. 13-7, 13-8:

All recently manufactured aircraft certificated for night flight must have an anticollision light that makes the aircraft more visible to other pilots. This light is either a red or white flashing light and may be in the form of a rotating beacon or a strobe. While anticollision lights are required for night visual flight rules (VFR) flights, they may be turned off any time they create a distraction for the pilot.

Understand that i am absolutely not stating as fact that only one shooter targeted the concert, but i will state that the data which i have accumulated over the better part of a week, including what my eyes and ears see and hear, does not indicate the presence of a second shooter, not at the venue nor anywhere in the immediate vicinity. Again, for the purpose of this work, i have not considered shooting events which may have occurred at other hotels. That’s another issue altogether and one possibly worth exploring, but it isn’t my focus here.

I would also say that Paddock certainly does not seem to fit the profile of a mass-murder at this time, however if he was in fact prescribed diazepam (Valium) as alleged, then it must be taken into account that such mind altering drugs are present in many mass shootings dating at least as far back Columbine (20-Apr-1999) where Kevin Harris was apparently taking fluvoxamine (Luvox) and Dylan Klebold is alleged to have been taking Paxil and Zoloft.

I have little doubt at this time that the Vegas/Mandalay Bay shooting was planned by people far above Paddock for potentially multiple purposes, including a continued assault on the second amendment; the opportunity for certain investors (George Soros and Michael Chertoff according the “john” posts on 4chan) to profit from the sales of security equipment designed to prevent such slaughters; to instill yet more fear in the public mind which is often leveraged to control populations, etc.. I am extremely suspicious of the FBI given their disturbing track record of blatant criminal behavior in many previous instances, including manufacturing domestic terrorists in order to later arrest them, thus “preventing” a terrorist attack.

Lastly, i wonder why the concert stage lights were turned on soon after the shooting started, thus illuminating the crowd and making them easier to target.

This has been a difficult undertaking for me. Because i choose to do a video and audio analysis of the gunshots, and because i needed to hear every detail in the witness videos, i had to wear high quality headphones and this made it seem as though these people were right next to me. The screams and pleas for help and all of the noise and confusion during this horror lived inside my head as i listened over and over again to the evidence. It’s difficult to imagine what it was like for those that actually witnessed it.

The evidence

My research into the Vegas shooting went something like this:

  1. Procure multiple witness videos for analysis where the witnesses were in close proximity to the music concert at the Route 91 Harvest Festival
  2. Extract the audio tracks from the videos to be used for further waveform analysis
  3. Plot the witness locations and paths of travel on a map
  4. Log the times of the gunfire bursts in each audio file
  5. Analyze each burst of gunfire in each audio file in order to find samples that would provide good data with regard to bullet impact to muzzle report delay times
  6. Determine the lag time between the bullet impact and the following muzzle report at least once for each burst sample where the quality of the sample permitted
  7. Using the bullet impact to muzzle report delay time difference, plot a circle around each witness that indicates the approximate distance of the shooter from the witness
  8. Gather enough data from enough witnesses to indicate the position or positions of the shooter or shooters which can be determined from where multiple circles for multiple witnesses converge

According to the data i have derived from multiple witness videos and audio, the hypothesis that i believe to be correct at this time is that there was only one shooter that targeted the venue at the Route 91 Harvest Festival in Las Vegas on the night of October 1st, 2017 and i will explain in detail why i think this is an accurate assessment.

Watching and listening to the witness videos, especially without having a background in gunfire, can mislead one to conclude that there were indeed multiple shooters and i’m quite certain that many of those present at the concert drew this erroneous conclusion in real-time, some even stating that they felt as though they were being chased, such as Stephanie does at about the 50 second mark in this interview with Fox 5:

When you extract the audio portions of the witness videos and look at the waveforms however — and i want to stress look, rather than just listen — it is readily apparent that, while there are indeed two very distinct sounds, it becomes quite obvious that they both originate from the same source.

I’m sure Stephanie isn’t being untruthful when she stated that it felt as though she was being chased, nor when she said that she could not understand how all of the gunfire could have come from one shooter. However, like many others, she is interpreting the horrific events which she lived through just prior to this interview according to what she saw through her eyes and heard with her ears, as well as through her own understanding of what she thinks a mass-shooting should sound and look like. Stephanie isn’t lying, but i strongly believe that her understanding of certain aspects of this event regarding automatic gunfire, bullet impact and muzzle report sounds is incorrect as i believe the data will demonstrate.

Bullet Impact Followed By Muzzle Report Waveform
Example waveform showing bullet impacts and following muzzle reports from the Las Vegas mass-shooting, 1-Oct-2017

The audio waveform above represents a typical rapid fire sequence found in nearly all of the audio files which i examined from witnesses located at, or very close to the venue. This particular sample is from the 00:06:04-00:06:07 time frame of the audio track extracted from a video titled, RAW VIDEO: Escape from Las Vegas shooting. In this graphic we can clearly see two distinct sounds, one of which is of a higher amplitude which represents bullet impacts, and the other a lower amplitude which follows the impacts and represents muzzle reports. You will notice that the last three bullet impact sounds that i have marked are closely followed by the last three muzzle reports from the gun. There is a delay between the two because of the location of the witness relative to the bullet impact locations, the location of the shooter, the velocity of the projectiles, the speed of sound and the downward angle from which the bullets were fired. Once you see the difference in appearance of the sounds, you should be able to easily identify nearly all of the lower and higher amplitude spikes besides those which i have marked.

This pattern is found in nearly every one of the rapid fire bursts within and across multiple audio/video files. The only exception that comes to mind are samples which were recorded far enough away from the target area (the concert) that either the bullet impacts were not recorded, or the muzzle reports were not recorded. It is important to understand this: For every video that i have analyzed which recorded rapid fire at or very near the venue, they all record both sounds nearly simultaneously for each burst of gunfire and these sounds are bullets striking asphalt and other objects (metal and glass in some instances) followed approximately 30 to 40 milliseconds later by the sound of the gun firing (the muzzle reports). The reason the bullet impacts are heard before the muzzle report of the gun is because the bullet (assuming a .223 cal. Remington 55 gr. cartridge) is traveling roughly three times the speed of sound (approximately 3239 feet per second muzzle velocity) while the sound of the muzzle report (the gunshot) is traveling much slower at approximately 1138.52 feet per second (80 F air temperature assumed) and therefore the impact of the projectile is recorded before the muzzle report when it is recorded by someone closer to the target zone and further from the weapon. If this were overlapping gunfire, as in multiple shooters, then i think all of the following would have to be true:

  • Both gunman would have had to be firing approximately the same caliber of weapon because nearly all of the firing sequences recorded in the video/audio files i analyzed that were captured by people close to the venue, all sound similar in duration, tone and the rate of fire
  • Both gunman would have had to be using a bump-stock or similar device because the telltale variations in the rapid fire sequences produced by such a device can be clearly heard in all of these samples i analyzed
  • According to the data provided by witness locations and bullet impact to muzzle report delay times, both gunmen would have to be located in generally the same place
  • Both of the gunmen would have to had fired at nearly the same time with one (the same one) leading the other by approximately 30 to 40 milliseconds and they would have had to stop their firing in the same order with roughly the same 30 to 40 millisecond offset

Meeting all of these conditions does not seem logical in the least to me and, from listening to audio samples and looking at the audio waveforms, there is no doubt in my mind that the generally louder and sharper sounds are bullet impacts and not muzzle reports. For example, in a video originally titled A personal story on Vegas Concert, at the 00:02:43.27, 00:02:45.9 and 00:02:46.3 time marks, bullets can be heard hitting what sounds like metal and glass and these sounds are accompanied by the corresponding bullet impact sounds which one would expect since bullets don’t impact dense objects silently, such as asphalt, metal and glass.

The result

The locations of several witnesses who were positioned close to the festival are plotted on the map below. Surrounding and centered around each witness is a colored circle specific to that witness which, based on the data below, indicates the approximate distance of the shooter from that particular witness. The diameter of each circle around each witness is determined by calculating the bullet impact to muzzle report delay time as per the ‘bullet time to distance’ chart below. For example, if a sample bullet impact to muzzle report delay was 300 milliseconds, then this would put the gunman at a distance of 800 feet from the witness (assuming a .223 caliber cartridge and correcting for atmospheric conditions, the speed of sound, etc.).

If we only look at the data for a single witness, then the shooter could be positioned anywhere along the circumference of the circle surrounding that witness, however when the data for multiple witnesses is plotted we should then be able to determine not only an approximate distance, but also the approximate position of the shooter or multiple positions of multiple shooters if there was more than one. Looking at the image below, all of the circles converge closest to the Mandalay Bay which is consistent with a single shooter at or near the hotel. The smaller red circle nearest the Mandalay Bay indicates where the circles tend to converge tighter and thus it indicates the approximate position of the gunman according to the data from all the witness recordings.

The gaps between the circles surrounding the witnesses and the Mandalay Bay where the sniper nest is assumed to be could be because the reference cartridge i used (.223 Remington, metal case, 55 gr.) is different than the actual cartridge used. Another possibility is that there is a problem with the math i used, however if the math is correct then, while the data still indicates a single shooter, the location of that shooter may not have been at the Mandalay Bay, though i lend next to zero credence to that possibility at the moment. There are also variables to consider, such as the distance of witnesses from the point of bullet impact, their distance from the gunman and probably others which i have not considered, though in my opinion i believe that the impact such variables would have upon the data is minimal.

You will have to enlarge the image below to see the detail. If simply clicking it does not enlarge it enough, try right-clicking it and choosing to view it in a new window or tab, or copy the image location and paste the URL in a new window/tab.

Las Vegas shooting, 1-Oct-2017, witness positions
Las Vegas shooting, 1-Oct-2017, where the small red circle indicates the most likely position of the gunman based upon the data derived from each witness video

Again, it is not only the raw data that seems to indicate a single gunman, but also the audio of the muzzle reports which, except for the amplitude, sound very much the same across all of the witness videos in terms of firing rate, variations in the firing rate which is indicative of a bump-stock device, burst times, tone, etc..

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If you’re curious about how the data in the image above was derived, read on…

The data

I may work further on this, so do not consider it complete. There may be errors, so do not consider it perfect. If you have any feedback, questions, or find any errors, again, feel free to comment or contact me privately.

General observations

general observations

* several shot sequences are approximately 10 seconds

* no shot sequences seem to be any longer than 10-11 seconds

* some 10 second shot sequences are very close to other firing sequences, such as the 00:03:25-00:03:27 and 00:03:30-00:03:40 sequences in the [001] video - if the shooter had to reload after a 10 second burst, i doubt there was enough time to eject, reload, reacquire the target area and begin firing, nor do i think there was time to pick up another weapon which, for the example given, there is only approximately 3 seconds between bursts

* i cannot detect any muzzle flashes from the Paddock hotel room (or anywhere else) from the videos i examined, particularly from witness [001] which includes some fairly steady footage of the Mandalay Bay during a rapid fire sequence - i adjusted the brightness, contrast and color saturation of the video to a large degree and could not observe flashes - although many of the videos are not of the highest quality, i still find this odd - the shooter certainly was not using a silencer and i tend to doubt that a flash suppressor alone would mask the muzzle flashes

* although Paddock apparently had 20+ guns in his room, it is unusual for any of the gunshot sequences to differ in amplitude and tone within the same witness recordings and often they differ little between different witness recordings - the bump-stock type repetitive fire variations are present in every video - this begs the question as to whether Paddock, the alleged shooter, ever used more than one type/caliber of weapon and, if he did not, then why bring 20+ guns which is an utterly absurd number


Atmospheric conditions in Las Vegas, October 1st, 2017:

Las Vegas weather 1-Oct-2017
Las Vegas weather 1-Oct-2017

A 20 degree angle was used for ballistics calculations. This was roughly estimated using Google Maps:

Mandalay Bay Shooter Angle (estimated)
Mandalay Bay shooter angle (estimated)

.223 Remington, metal case, 55 gr. cartridge ballistics table:

.223 Remington Metal Case 55gr Ballistics Table
.223 Remington Metal Case 55gr Ballistics Table

Bullet time to distance, corrected for atmospheric conditions and angle.

Bullet time to distance - .223 Remington Metal Case, 55 gr.
Bullet time to distance for a .223 Remington, metal case, 55 gr. cartridge

How calculations were preformed


* ballistic calculations were preformed using the Ballistic Calculator tool from [4]
* distances from projectile impacts to muzzle reports are calculated from witness recordings close to the concert where projectile impacts are recorded before the audible muzzle report - from this data the estimated distance to the shooter is derived and, given enough data from multiple witnesses, shooter position can be derived
* cartridge (assumed): .223 Remington, Remington Metal Case, 55gr (used for ballistic calculations)
    - ballistic coefficient: 0.202
    - initial velocity: 3240 ft/s
    - bullet weight: 55 gr.
    - zero range: 100 yds.
    - shooting angle: 20 deg.
    - sight height: 1.5"
    - wind velocity: 0
    - wind angle: 0
    - drag function: G1 | Ingalls
    - air temp: 80 F
    - altitude: 2030 ft.
    - atmospheric pressure: 29.53
    - relative humidity: 24%
* Las Vegas temperature, 1-Oct-2017, 10p: 80 deg. F (used for ballistic calculations and speed of sound) [1]
* Las Vegas relative humidity, Oct: 24% (used for ballistic calculations) [3]
* speed of sound @ 80 deg. F: 1138.52 ft/s [2]
* map radius's surrounding each witness location as plotted on the map are calculated using the projectile impact to muzzle report delay figures - added to the distance is the difference between the witness location and the target area (rough center of open area in front of stage) to create the corrected distances which are then used to calculate the radius around the witness - the corrected distance was measured on Google Maps using the built-in measuring tool

sound time to distance
feet    ms
1800    1581
1650    1449
1500    1317
1350    1186
1200    1054
1050     922
 900     790
 750     659
 600     527
 450     395
 300     263
 150     132

projectile time to distance
feet    ms
1800    928
1650    809
1500    700
1350    600
1200    509
1050    426
 900    350
 750    280
 600    215
 450    155
 300    100
 150     48


Software used


os: GNU/Linux Mint

    Waterfox (web browser)
        Scrapbook X (extension to save and organize web content)
    Audacity (audio editor)
    GIMP (image editor)
    Kate (text/code editor)
    youtube-dl (download video, extract audio)
    KSnapshot (screen capture)
    VLC (media player

Witness [001] analysis

witness [001]

scope: measure muzzle report to echo delay in order to determine shooter distances and, along with data from other witnesses, locations

video source:

* approx. distance to Mandalay shooter window:
* approx. distance to center of concert area:

* the following distances were averaged to plot witness circles:
    1000 + 1075 + 925 + 1000 + 840 + 930 / 6 = 961.67'

audio sample (h:m:s)    impact (h:m:s)  report (h:m:s)  delay (s)   distance (ft)
00:00:00-00:00:10 [1]
00:00:46-00:00:57       00:00:46.14     00:00:46.54     0.4         1000
00:00:46-00:00:57       00:00:55.86     00:00:56.3      0.44        1075
00:01:13-00:01:15       00:01:14.69     00:01:15.05     0.36         925
00:01:15-00:01:24       00:01:15.45     00:01:15.85     0.4         1000
00:01:42-00:01:53       00:01:43.12     00:01:43.44     0.32         840
00:01:42-00:01:53       00:01:51.55     00:01:51.91     0.36         930

[1] unable to obtain a good impact/report sample

Witness [003] analysis

witness [003]

scope: measure muzzle report to echo delay in order to determine shooter distances and, along with data from other witnesses, locations

reference video: A personal story on Vegas Concert
video source: (deleted)
witness name: Lisa Fine

* approx. distance to Mandalay shooter window: 1,186'
* approx. distance to center of concert area: 85'

* the following distances were averaged to plot witness circles:
    1040 + 1025 / 2 = 1032.5'

* it is assumed that some of the firing sequences in this sound track consist of bullet impacts followed by muzzle reports for the following reasons: 1) the shear sharpness of the higher frequency sounds preceding the lower amplitude and lower frequency sounds, 2) the 00:00:14-00:00:16, 00:02:37-00:02:44 and 00:02:44-00:02:47 samples where apparently bullets can be heard striking objects in the vicinity of the witness, possibly glass in the 00:00:14-00:00:16 sample and metal in the 00:02:37-00:02:44 and 00:02:44-00:02:47 samples, and 3), because of the witness location which is much closer to the concert than to Mandalay Bay which would account for bullet impacts being recorded before muzzle reports
* at 00:02:43.27, 00:02:45.9 and 00:02:46.3 there are bullet impacts that sound like they are extremely close to the witness - one of the latter two impacts, and i don't know which, may possibly be seen in image file "003-bullet-impact.png" - this could just be an anomaly in the video since this small bright area on the pole in front of the witness appears for only a single frame, however it does correspond with the spike in the audio that sounds like a bullet striking a metallic object

audio sample (h:m:s)    impact (h:m:s)  report (h:m:s)  delay (s)   distance (ft)
00:00:15-00:00:16 [1,2]
00:00:16-00:00:18 [1]
00:00:22-00:00:24       00:00:22.36     00:00:22.78     0.42        1040
00:01:26-00:01:29       00:01:27.72     00:01:28.13     0.41        1025
00:01:31-00:01:41 [1]
00:02:01-00:02:11 [1]
00:02:35-end      [1]

[1] unable to obtain a good impact/report sample
[2] breaking glass at 00:15:35-00:15:42

Witness [004] analysis

witness [004]

scope: measure muzzle report to echo delay in order to determine shooter distances and, along with data from other witnesses, locations

reference video: Las Vegas Shooting (FIRST SHOTS)  _RARE
video source:

* approx. distance to center of concert area: 156', 1,578'
* approx. distance to Paddock hotel room: 1,355', 2,033'

* the following distances were averaged to plot witness circles:
    1125 + 1110 / 2 = 1117.5'
* corrected distance is derived from the difference in feet from the witness location to the approximate center of the concert area in front of the stage where bullets impacted - this corrected difference is then added to the distance figures below
* from ~00:02:00 on, the witness is moving almost constantly and further away from the Mandalay Bay hotel, then moves slightly closer to it in the last few minutes

audio sample (h:m:s)    impact (h:m:s)  report (h:m:s)  delay (s)   distance (ft)
00:03:12-00:03:14 [2]
00:03:17-00:03:18       00:03:17.13     00:03:17.6      0.47        1125
00:03:19-00:03:21       00:03:19.65     00:03:20.11     0.46        1110
00:03:51-00:04:01 [2,6]
00:04:39-00:04:49 [2]
00:05:06-00:05:16 [2]
00:05:35-00:05:44 [2,3]
00:07:00-00:07:01 [2,4]
00:07:08-00:07:09 [2]
00:07:33-00:07:34 [1,2]
00:07:35-00:07:36 [1,2]
00:08:45-00:08:47 [1,2]
00:08:49-00:08:57 [1,2]
00:09:55-00:10:02 [1,2]
00:10:21-00:10:22 [1,2]
00:10:22-00:10:24 [5,2]
00:11:17-00:11:26 [1,2]
00:12:35-00:12:38 [1,2]
00:12:40-00:12:44 [2]
00:13:02-00:13:07 [2]

[1] possible rapid fire, very low amplitude
[2] unable to obtain a good impact/report sample
[3] no impacts detected
[4] possible impact or report, possible small-arms fire
[5] although the 00:10:22-00:10:24 sample closely follows the 00:10:21-00:10:22 sample, the tone is noticeably different
[6] at approx. 00:03:53 in the video, there is a man in a white shirt on the left side of the frame that seems to drop to the ground as though he was shot in the head

Witness [005] analysis

witness [005]

scope: measure muzzle report to echo delay in order to determine shooter distances and, along with data from other witnesses, locations

video source: (deleted from YouTube) alternate video source:

* approx. distance to Mandalay shooter window: 1,081'
* approx. distance to center of concert area: 112'

* the following distances were averaged to plot witness circles:
    1110 + 1025 + 975 + 820 + 875 / 5 = 961

audio sample (h:m:s)    impact (h:m:s)  report (h:m:s)  delay (s)   distance (ft)
00:00:13-00:00:16       00:00:15.18     00:00:15.64     0.46        1110
00:00:18-00:00:28       00:00:18.28     00:00:18.69     0.41        1025
00:00:49-00:00:59 [1]
00:01:23-00:01:31       00:01:27.16     00:01:27.55     0.39        975
00:01:31-00:01:35 [1]
00:01:49-00:01:58 [2]   00:01:57.55     00:01:57.87     0.32        820
00:01:58-00:02:01 [3]   00:01:58.3      00:01:58.64     0.34        875

[1] unable to obtain a good impact/report sample
[2] sequence begins with a high amplitude, low frequency burst of about 8 shots which sound like muzzle reports, however the amplitude and frequency of the sounds is significantly different than the other muzzle reports in this video
[3] distance estimate appears to be wildly incorrect, especially given that the amplitude and frequency of the muzzle reports is similar to other samples in this video

Witness [006] analysis

witness [006]

scope: measure muzzle report to echo delay in order to determine shooter distances and, along with data from other witnesses, locations

reference video: Video Las Vegas shooting during concert WARNING Disturbing content
video source:

* approx. distance to Mandalay shooter window: 1,220'
* approx. distance to center of concert area: 125'

* the following distances were averaged to plot witness circles:

audio sample (h:m:s)    impact (h:m:s)  report (h:m:s)  delay (s)   distance (ft)
00:00:00-00:00:03 [1]
00:00:38-00:00:50 [1]
00:01:06-00:01:17       00:01:06.37     00:01:06.8      0.43        1060
00:01:36-00:01:45 [1]
00:02:36-00:02:37 [1]
00:03:41-00:03:43 [1]

[1] unable to obtain a good impact/report sample

Change log

Click to expand...


  • initial publication


  • added information about possible foreknowledge of the shooting
  • added information regarding the ‘Stephanie’ interview
  • misc. minor edits and typo corrections


  • minor corrections to witness [001] data
  • minor correction to witness [001] circle on map
  • removed the ‘personal observations that are beyond the scope of this work’ section in the ‘general observations’ file and incorporated it in the main body of this document


  • added info about the MGM stock sale
  • updated and edited other content


  • edited and clarified information regarding the gap between the converging circles around the witnesses and the Mandalay Bay hotel


  • major corrections to all of the witness data, however the results remain essentially the same
  • removed witness data that either was not relevant to my analysis, or where the witnesses were too far away from the festival to provide accurate data
  • uploaded new image files for most of this document and added a couple more


  • corrected some text in all of the witness analysis files (this has no effect upon the data)
  • added data for a new witness, [001], to replace the old data for the old [001] witness whose data was not usable
  • minor edits


  • polishing


  • fixed a broken link
  • added more info regarding FAA requirements for flying aircraft at night


  • edited video link for ‘Stephanie’ interview since YouTube deleted the original as part of their censorship campaign
  • typo correction


  • minor edits, polishing


  • added more info about the James Murren stock dump
  • added info about George Soros betting against MGM stock


  • added more info regarding the stock trades prior to the shooting
  • minor edits

One of those days…

Ever have ‘one of those days’? Well, i just had two of them in a row, which happens to be the same number of days that i was a member of Bill Ryan’s Project Avalon Forum before being given the boot :)

The trouble started when i replied to a post made by a very pro-Jewish (i was oblivious to this fact at the time) forum moderator regarding The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. My post prompted a most unusual, nonsensical, accusatory and childish backlash which included a public thrashing, a spiting of the thread to remove my post, and an ominous private message. Through the drama that ensued however, i accidentally discovered a most revealing bit of information regarding the Project Avalon Forum. It was was sent to me as a private message by another moderator.

If you’re up for a little humor, lots of interesting drama, an adventure into the world of “orbs”, and something much more troubling, give my newest article a spin; Exposed: Bill Ryan’s Project Avalon Forum.

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Exposed: Bill Ryan and Project Avalon

The Disclaimer

Because of the sensitive subject matter discussed here, i think it is prudent to preface this article with my standard disclaimer regarding racism:

I am not racist, nor do i hate anyone based on their religion, color, history, beliefs, appearance, etc., nor am i currently or have i ever been a member of any race-centric organization, including the Nazis, neo-Nazis, skinheads, KKK, white supremacists, etc., nor do i view my race as superior to another, nor do i view myself as superior to others. If you are familiar with the philosophies of people like Peter Joseph and Jacque Fresco, which is basically one of harmony with all others and the Earth, than you know essentially where i stand.

The Mafia

There exists a Sicilian Mafia. There exists a Russian mafia. Does speaking of these criminal organizations implicate the Italian or Russian people as a whole? Of course not! These organizations consist of a tiny subset of mostly Italians and Russians, respectively. Similarly, there are also Jewish criminal organizations. As with any other organized crime network, when i speak of the Jewish-Zionist criminal cabal, also referred to as the Khazarian Mafia by some, i am not implicating the Jewish people as a whole, but there is a most troublesome taboo regarding anything that could be remotely construed as being critical of Jewry that does not exist with other groups..

While one can openly criticize the Sicilian or Russian mafias, despite the fact that many Jews were key or well-known members, including Meyer Lansky, Jack Ruby, Hymie Weiss, Bugsy Siegel, Semion Mogilevich, Monya Elson, Marat Balagula, Vyacheslav Ivankov, Vladimir Ginsberg, Ludwig Fainberg and others, exposing the names and activities of the Jewish-Zionist criminal cabal is a very slippery slope that is laden with land mines. While using the words “Italian” or “Russian” to describe the criminal activities of a few Italians or Russians is acceptable, one must be extraordinarily cautious when using the words “Jew” or “Jewish” when associating a few Jews, or those calling themselves Jews, with similar activities. Even when one chooses their words with the utmost caution, there remains a very real risk of being targeted by powerful pro-Jewish, pro-Zionist organizations, such as the Anti-Defamation League or the American-Israel Public Affairs Committee, which are eager to label anyone critical of Jewry in general as being Jew-hating, Nazi-loving anti-Semites, unless it is a Jew doing the criticizing, in which case the label “self-hating Jew” may be applied.

The pressure applied by international Jewry upon the governments of many countries, including Austria, Belgium, Bosnia, Czech Republic, European Union, France, Germany, Hungary, Israel, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Spain and Switzerland, has resulted in legislation which has placed limits upon free speech in those countries. Once one studies Jewish history and Zionist ideology, it becomes crystal clear why free speech is one of the most significant threats to the Jewish-Zionist criminal cabal who, in direct violation of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, lobbies to suppress free speech under the guise of preventing “hate speech”. Currently pressure is being applied in Canada, Italy, the United States and other countries to circumvent the peoples right of free speech. Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states:

Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

I will close this section with the following quote from Kevin Alfred Strom:

To determine the true rulers of any society, all you must do is ask yourself this question: Who is it that I am not permitted to criticize?

The Forum

Project Avalon is a website run by Bill Ryan. The core of the site is the Project Avalon Forum where a wide variety of topics are discussed, many of which are related to the social and political problems we face today. Membership is restricted and involves submitting a lengthy application which asks for personally identifying information. This application is then reviewed by the moderator team and, i assume, Bill himself.

I once had a great deal of respect for Bill Ryan. He was a core member and, as i recall, co-founder of Project Camelot along with Kerry Cassidy, though they would later part ways. Project Camelot is rather well known among the alternative information and conspiracy communities for its large collection of video interviews with various whistleblowers, many of which are highly interesting and provocative. The interviewees consist of wide array of people alleging to be contactees, whistleblowers, people who worked in deep underground military bases (DUMBs), spiritual healers, intuitives, remote viewers, ex-government contractors, Illuminati insiders and others. The list is long and includes names like Steven Greer, Bob Dean, Jordan Maxwell, David Wilcock and Jim Humble. While the credibility of some of these people cannot be questioned, it is not so clear in other cases and Kerry will often readily admit this, thus leaving the viewer to decide for themselves. Much to their credit, Project Camelot has never retracted an interview unless forced to do so far as i am aware.

Project Camelot was instrumental in the earlier years of my research into a variety of subjects, the study of which eventually resulted in an awakening of sorts or, more accurately, a radical transformation of my entire world view. Kerry represents the spiritual side of Camelot while Bill, during his time there, seemed to be more of a science-based guy, but with a very open mind. He seems to have gravitated more toward the spiritual end of the spectrum at some point, which i think is great, except that he apparently left behind some basic principles of science and logic in the process, as i shall demonstrate later.

Together Bill and Kerry made an absolutely brilliant team in my opinion, complimenting each other perfectly. They were able to extract more information from a witness than either could have done alone. I didn’t know if there was a romantic element, but i thought they would have made a great couple; Kerry, the intuitive shamanic type who just might bare her teeth if provoked, and Bill, the rough, outdoorsy mountain climber and quintessential gentleman. Behind the scenes however, a tension was brewing that would eventually result in a parting of ways. I was quite saddened when i learned their paths would diverge and, as i’m sure many others did, i wondered whether Camelot would survive the loss of Bill, a crucial member.

At some point Bill Ryan created the Project Avalon Forum where he began to take a somewhat different direction than the Project Camelot platform. In the latter part of May, 2015, i decided to submit an application to join the forum and, after the obligatory approval process, i was quite pleased to have been accepted. Two days later my membership was terminated, making my stay at Avalon probably one of the shortest in the forums’ history.

The Event

Precipitating my demise at the Project Avalon Forum was a thread that was started by Paul, apparently a senior forum moderator, which he titled The Protocols of the Elders of Zion’ — and a call for a more benevolent leadership. Paul’s post referred to a paper written by Miles Mathis titled The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. I thought it was an interesting post but Mathis’ paper did raise a few flags in my mind and so i wrote a reply to his post (quoted at the end of this page) which pointed a finger at the Jewish-Zionist criminal cabal. I made it very clear, as i had done in an earlier post, that i was not targeting Jews in general:

were it just a history thing, i wouldn’t care, but the history given to us by the victors of WW2 and the Jewish criminal cabal (and i am not saying Jews in general) has had, and continues to have an unbelievable (literally) impact upon our lives […]

Because of my perceived quality of the forum, as well as the subjects covered, i had assumed that a), many Avalon members were probably aware of the enormous political and social influence wielded by the Jewish-Zionist criminal cabal who, though they make up a tiny minority of Jews, occupy a significant portion of what many currently refer to as “the 1%” and b), that an Avalon moderator was likely of a higher caliber than other forum moderators in general and would thus be far more fair and open minded. After all, topics in the forum include conspiracy theories, chemtrails, eugenics, population control, mind control, the secret space program, etc.. My assumptions were grossly inaccurate.

My post prompted an immediate backlash from Paul who split the original thread, removing my post and isolating it in a new thread which was not available to the public (it is reproduced below) where he then proceeded to subject me to a virtual water-boarding. In addition, Paul sent me a rather ominous private message stating that i was probably not a good fit for the forum. While it was readily apparent that something very strange had just happened, i wasn’t sure exactly what it was or why. Was Paul offended by my post because he may be Jewish? Or perhaps, like so many of us, he bought into the Jewish-Zionist-allied post World War II programming that we have been subjected to for the last seven decades or so. At any rate, i was stunned and wrote a lengthy rebuttal (also quoted below) to Paul’s nonsensical and baseless accusations in which he essentially pasted the infamous anti-Semite sticky-note square upon my forehead after twisting my words in a childish attempt to make it stick better. Considering the writing i have done regarding Germany’s role in World War II, Hitler, and the holocaust, other than a minuscule number of one-liner hate mails, virtually all of the feedback regarding my work has been either neutral or positive, making Paul’s attack the first real accusation of anti-Semitism that has been leveled against me. I suppose i’ve been christened. Paul’s answer to my lengthy rebuttal was to ignore every question, point and plea i had made:

Your abilities to rationalize your actions, and to misinterpret my warnings, are both considerable.

This is unfortunate.

Paul’s non-answer answer immediately reminded me of this quote:

“Care must be taken not to give a platform for deniers… or seek to disprove the deniers’ position through normal historical debate and rational argument” — Guidelines for Teaching about the Holocaust at the Stockholm International Forum, 2000

The Infiltration

So at this point it was pretty clear there was going to be a rift between Paul and myself and thus i started to question whether i wanted to remain a member of the Avalon community. Before finalizing my decision however, i decided to write the following private message to another moderator, Sierra, who i had picked at random since, other than Bill (and i didn’t see the need to bother him with this), i knew none of the moderators:

do i fit here at avalon?

so i’m “the new guy” and already i have managed to get myself in some “hot water” it appears

my purpose in messaging you is to ask that you direct the other moderators to this thread which explains the situation:…-Zion&p=963660

i am NOT asking anyone to back me – my statement speaks for itself – what i would appreciate is knowing whether you folks think i fit in with this community, nothing more

is the subject matter which i addressed too controversial for this forum? i guess that is the decision i am asking you folks to make

thank you

Sierra’s reply came a short time later. It was one of Impending Doom:

The moderator’s have seen your thread (it has been reported) and no I don’t think you fit. If you had replaced every single occurrence of the word “Jew” with “Zionist” you might have gained better traction in this moderated community, not to mention greater service to Truth.

Some of the very highest, and best people on Avalon are Jewish. We don’t encourage the ancient and tiresome Blame the Jews Game.

We don’t like the blame game period. Blame breeds hatred. Blame is the classic Illuminati tactic along with fear, to generate war, pain, suffering, and death. Blame is a complete (that’s the entire point) waste of time. If you are busy dealing out blame, you are not working on your own spiritual evolution, now are you?

Regards, Sierra

Ah, so it’s word games we must play; substitute “Jew” with “Zionist” since most people probably don’t know what Zionism is, and point the finger at the illusive Illuminati, whoever they are, rather than the real criminals right under our noses, negatively impacting our everyday lives and wallets, such as the international Bankers who have verifiable names and affiliations and who are at the very center of the Jewish-Zionist criminal cabal. Unfortunately, pointing out the obvious is obviously not allowed regarding certain topics at Avalon since the Jewish community there is tired of the “tiresome Blame the Jews Game“. I get it! Unfortunately i ‘got it’ a little too late. The writing was clearly on the wall and, had i not asked to have my forum account terminated, there is no doubt whatsoever that it would only be a matter of time until i was banned.

Far more importantly, i now had an answer as to why Paul attacked both myself and my post with such vigor; the Project Avalon Forum had been infiltrated by unethical, biased Jews with questionable agendas, or at least some of them fell squarely into this category. Or perhaps Bill knew their motives and took them on anyway. While the latter is pure speculation, he has since “thanked” Paul for his post. While i admit i may be wrong regarding an infiltration, either with or without Bill’s knowledge, i doubt this is the case, as i shall demonstrate.

One of the primary purposes of Project Avalon is to discuss and find solutions to some of problems facing the world today. These problems obviously include politics, finance and the media, all of which are all heavily influenced by Jewish interests. Who would be in a better position to steer the direction of conversation and deflect attention away from the Jewish-Zionist criminal cabal than those who are sympathetic to Zionist-criminal ideology? This is precisely what Sierra attempted to do when she/he made a laughable effort to shift the blame for war, pain, suffering and death upon the “the Illuminati” in her/his private message to me. This tactic of redirecting blame toward invisible foes is also used by people such as Alex “Bullhorn” Jones and other key players in the so-called ‘alternative media’ (and i am certainly not demonizing alternative media as a whole since it is clearly the only outlet for the truth in many cases). When Alex, who is either accidentally or willfully ignorant of historical facts, and i am quite certain it is the latter, is not busy demonizing Hitler and those “evil Nazis” for disarming the German population and putting fluoride in the public water supply to make them docile, as well as for the slaughter of six million Jews, he’s fingering the next best target, the ever-illusive “Illuminati”, a super-secret society that is often accused of running the world and which seems to morph into whatever demon best fits ones cause at any given moment. Of course this makes the Illuminati the perfect tool for deflecting criticism and inciting in-fighting since no one seems to be able to prove whether the group even exists today, much less attach verifiable identities to its alleged members.

There’s something else of importance here that i failed to point out in the Avalon forum thread; Paul’s original post was about a paper by Miles Mathis who Paul sees as “one of the best original thinkers of our time“. The title of the paper is The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion and it was published in April, 2015. In it, Mathis attempts to make a case that The Protocols of the Elders of Zion were not authored by Jews at all, but rather by aristocrats, thereby absolving the Jewish elite of the dirty deed. Given what has already been revealed, i find that quite interesting; we have a forum where “Some of the very highest, and best people on Avalon are Jewish” in which a moderator who, at a minimum, is very protective of Jewry, is eager to shift the responsibility for authoring the protocols — a document that has been a constant thorn in the side of Jewry since it was exposed — to non-Jews. As far being “one of the best original thinkers of our time“, let’s consider what else Mathis has written in various articles:

4/17/15, Stephen Hawking died and has been replaced. I show lots of photographic evidence that Hawking died in 1985 and has been played by an impostor since then.

4/3/15, The Boston Marathon Bombing Trial. I show you that the trial, like the event itself, is fake. Included is a brief analysis of the Gabby Giffords shooting, which is related.

2/25/15, The Patty Hearst Kidnapping was Fake. Also related commentary on Clint Eastwood and Dirty Harry.

11/2/14, The O. J. Simpson Trial was Faked, and so were the murders. Lots of photographic and legal evidence.

8/26/14, The Zodiac Murders were Faked. And so were the Houston and Cottingham murders.

8/3/14, Proof John Lennon’s Death was Faked. Also includes a short analysis of Michael Jackson’s alleged death.

6/29/14, The Tate Murders were Faked. That’s right. Manson is another creation of the MATRIX. Over 80 pages of photographic evidence.

6/19/14, The Bikini Atoll Nuclear Tests Were Faked. Easy photographic evidence.

5/31/14, The Lincoln Assassination was another Manufactured Event. I take you through the whole thing, using both old and new evidence.

2/1/14, Your Fake Local News. Fake news, fake murders, and fake trials, in your hometown.

1/6/13, The Alleged Sandy Hook Tragedy. Another staged event.

His titles read like covers of The Enquirer and the above are but a small sampling of quite a long list of articles dating back to some time before 2003. While i will be the very first to freely admit that many things are not at all what they seem, and that i have only skimmed through a few of his papers and have not checked into his background, i suspect his articles are intended to act as distractions, just like The Enquirer, the “Illuminati” and, now, “the aristocrats”. It looks to me as though Miles Mathis, in Alex Jones fashion, is yet another attention grabbing, fear-mongering mouthpiece who provides just enough believable material to keep his fans coming back for more, but whose real intention is to shift focus away from relevant matters of actual importance, like the Jewish Rockefeller and Rothschild banking cabal.

In conclusion, it is my opinion that Bill Ryan and the members of Project Avalon have some important information to share, however i believe it is blatantly obvious that the Project Avalon Forum is heavily influenced by certain core members who are sympathetic to the aspirations of the Jewish-Zionist criminal cabal or, at the very least, have a strong desire to deflect any criticism of “gods chosen people”. In a community where i would have thought truth and honesty were welcome assets among intelligent, open-minded people, i instead found limitations upon the truth and extreme penalties for exceeding them.

The Orbs

Perhaps my debunking of Bill’s “Orbs” thread didn’t exactly win me any friends either…

Note that it is not Bill Ryan that i am singling out here, though admittedly i am casting a bit more light upon him since he is a), the Big Kahuna at Project Avalon and b), has a background in math and science. His “Orbs” thread was 12 pages long when i last checked and full of… orbers? Orbers are also found all over the web. I must also state very clearly that in no way, shape or form am i positing that the provable explanation i provide here for a particular type of “orb” explains every photograph of an orb, however there is no doubt in my mind that it does indeed explain the vast majority of “orb” photographs found on the web. Lastly, i am certainly not claiming to be the first to debunk this type of “orb” phenomenon, as many others have already done so, including some folks in Bill’s own “Orbs” thread, though it appears they were largely ignored since, as humans, we prefer a mystery rather than simple explanations, even when the latter is backed by bullet-proof evidence.

For those that don’t know what “orbs” are, well, it depends on who you ask but basically, for many people, they are anything other than what the type addressed here actually are: floating debris (dust) captured in photographs. Some insist they are spiritual beings, guardians, energetic entities, fairies, probes, etc.. Here is what Bill says in his opening post regarding his experience with “orbs”, emphasis added:

Earlier this summer, I visited a grove of Giant Sequoia in Yosemite National Park with a good friend, another Avalonian. As the sun was setting, we were able to find one magnificent tree – a real beauty – which was not fenced off from the public.

We took a few photos… and were rewarded by a quite dazzling display of orbs. The high-resolution images are linked below (too large to post here)… and the detail is fascinating.

This was not pollen or dust. Immediately afterwards, I took another photo of the same tree without either of us in the picture – and the orbs had completely disappeared.

Here’s one of the photographs Bill included in his post, showing him leaning against a tree, surrounded by “orbs”:

Bill Ryan surrounded by orbs
Bill Ryan surrounded by “orbs” (click to enlarge)

And here is a crop of a 6 MP image i captured in a darkened hallway by sprinkling baking flour in front of the camera lens. Exposure, ISO and flash were set to ‘auto’:

Orbs created with baking flour
Orbs created by sprinkling baking flour in front of the camera lens (click to enlarge)

Many of us have probably seen large amounts of dust floating through the air in our home when the lighting conditions were optimal, such as during late afternoon when a slice of bright sunlight is cutting through a room. Sometimes one can make out the actual fibers because your eye, unlike your camera lens, can focus on the dust that is illuminated by the bright light. Many “orb” photographs are captured with cameras in low light conditions when its flash is triggered, as both Bills’ and my photographs were, or there is another light source that is lighting up an area directly in front of the lens. In every case of this particular type of “orb” that i have seen, the tiny particles of floating debris appear to be very close to the camera lens, otherwise they would simply not be visible. Because they are so close to the lens, and the lens is focused on something in the distance, the particles are extremely blurred which has the side effect of making them look spherical in shape. Add to this the light they are refracting and you now have “orbs”. If you refer to the image with Bill in it, you will notice that all of the “orbs” are in front of him, rather than some being partially behind him as one would expect if he were surrounded by them.

This next one is an enlargement of the brightest “orb” in the above image. They can look quite interesting, even resembling a tiny, living thing. This one, like many, resembles a biological cell, complete with an outer membrane and nucleus:

A baking flour orb
A single “orb”, which is actually a tiny particle of baking flour

So much for “orbs”, at least those of this particular type. And i was sort of becoming fond of the little guys too :(

Sorry to stray, but i had a fun time capturing “orbs” in my experiments and wanted to share my findings, plus i think the topic is slightly relevant here.

The Disgruntled

While one may see this article as the result of a disgruntled forum member who was essentially given the boot, that is not the case and that is not what this is about. I think there are some very interesting and alarming things going on at Project Avalon and, if you read my other work, it is obvious that exposing hidden things is a sort of a passion of mine. I would also make the following points: 1), i was a member for only two days, so it’s not like i had a lot of time invested in the forum. 2), i was the the victim of a moderator’s wrath and because of the tension which was likely to persist, i wasn’t overly anxious to remain there. 3), i wasn’t banned by anyone until i requested that my account be deleted:

Request to be banned from Project Avalon Forum

The Post

This is Paul’s post which i would later comment on. Paul seems to be a key moderator at the Project Avalon Forum:

“The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” — and a call for a more benevolent leadership

Miles Mathis, in my view one of the best original thinkers of our time, has a new paper out on THE PROTOCOLS of the Learned Elders of Zion (pdf).

Miles (as he usually does) takes a fresh look at his chosen topic. He finds evidence within this renowned document that it was written at the behest of European royalty, in the late 1800’s, who were finding themselves on what would prove to be the losing end of an epic struggle with the Banksters (financially most powerful families). He reads the document as a defense of the benefits of rule by royalty, and an attack on the dangers of rule by financiers.

But then, after spending the first half of this modest (just 12 pages of quite readable prose) paper analyzing the protocols, Miles then takes a surprising (to me) and delightful twist, and proposes a way out of this mess … the first such proposal that I’ve seen that I find persuasive and plausible (sorry Wade F and Dennis L <grin> <hugs>.)

I recommend the above paper to your consideration.

You can find more such fine work at Miles’ website: The personal art and counter-criticism site of MILES WILLIAMS MATHIS. See especially his Updates page to get links to his latest papers and commentary.

The Reply

This is my reply to Paul’s post which prompted the backlash that i was to be subjected to:

“The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” — and a call for a more benevolent leadership

i like this guy – he seems pretty sharp – thanks for the post Paul

ok, so some feedback on this paper …

Mathis thinks that the the Jewish elites would not use the blunt language that is used in the protocols…

In the same way, the title “WE SHALL DESTROY GOD” is overplayed. Although I think the financiers have long been trying to destroy organized religion, I do not think they would put it this way in their own documents. They don’t need to “destroy God,” since they don’t believe in him. They might talk about destroying Christianity, or destroying belief in God, but not about destroying God. For them, that would be like saying WE SHALL DESTROY SANTA CLAUS.

not sure it’s at all important to argue the point, but i would argue the point

here are some quotes from various Jewish-Zionist elites – i have not verified some of these to the n’th degree, but i believe them to be authentic…

“The killing by a Jew of a non-Jew, i.e. a Palestinian, is considered essentially a good deed, and Jews should therefore have no compunction about it.” — Yitzhak Ginsburg ‘Five General Religious Duties Which Lie Behind the Act of the Saintly’, Rabbi Baruch Goldstein, ‘May his Blood be Avenged’

“There is only one power which really counts. The power of political pressure. We Jews are the most powerful people on earth, because we have this power, and we know how to apply it.” — Vladimir Jabotinsky, Jewish Daily Bulletin, July 27, 1935

“Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel. Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat. That is why gentiles were created.” — Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, head of Shas Council of Torah Sages during a sermon delivered Oct. 2010 in Jerusalem

“We Jews, we, the destroyers, will remain the destroyers for ever. Nothing that you will do will meet our needs and demands. We will for ever destroy because we need a world of our own…” — Maurice Samuels, You Gentiles, 1942

then he gets into more into who wrote the document and the blame game…

they are trying to pin everything on the Jews, but we know that all the top financiers are not Jews. So why would the aristocrats imply they are? Because some of the top financiers are Gentiles who ditched the aristocracy and put their cards in with the new money. But since the aristocrats are all about blood, they don’t wish to attack their own.

i just think that’s an important point to remember for those that rail against the Jews, forgetting about everyone else, however there is something more interesting about this statement…

in spite of what i said about putting too much focus on the Jewish elites, they happen to be a very hot topic for me at this particular time – i don’t know where Mathis is from, but in the U.S. there is no doubt the Jewish elite enjoy an extreme degree of control and influence in all major areas, especially politics and finance – no way will one ever win a presidency without the approval and media coverage and financial contributions provided by Jewish lobby groups, period, and this goes back to, and includes, J. Kennedy who made deals with Israel to become pres, which was by a very slim margin as i recall – all went south when he started putting pressure on Ben-Gurion, Dimona and one of the Jewish lobby groups according to Michael C. Piper who wrote a very good book on the assassination which makes a strong, well referenced case for Israeli/Mossad involvement in the killing.

Mathis seems to be saying that the aristocrats are existentially using the Jews as a tool to divert blame, and given the overwhelming influence of the the Jewish cabal in the U.S. and elsewhere, i would have to question that, though, admittedly, i have sometimes wondered if what Mathis is implying is exactly correct, but how can he be correct given the blatantly obvious influence of the Jews in the U.S.?

continuing with the same paragraph…

In this way, they are like the Jews they criticize. For all of them, blood is blood, even after it has committed treason.

not sure i’m understanding this correctly, but if he’s implying that Jews stick together, rather than the aristocrats, he’s dead wrong according to my understanding – for example, there are a lot of anti-Zionist Jews, even in Israel, and many factions of Jews (actually, apparently 80-85% of the Jews calling themselves Jews in Israel aren’t Jews at all, but rather descendants of the Khazars)

If aliens are watching us—as some think—and if they were given permission to break the non-interference clause, they would change human society most quickly by targeting a few dozen people. If they replaced the right 50 people, say, with benevolent look-alikes, human history would reverse overnight.

well, something’s going to have to happen ’cause we ain’t gonna vote our way out

so then he continues with how to speed-up the inevitable by working with and educating (or re-educating) the elites – great, i’m all for it. here’s another solution: ignore them – plant a garden, don’t buy garbage, dump the boob-tube, take your shoes off and go play with the kids outside – the machine will grind itself to death without any assistance

either way, education is key; how can we educate the masses before the whole house goes up in flames?


are we doing EXACTLY what we are SUPPOSED TO BE DOING?

maybe we’re supposed to be killing and polluting and acting like idiots – maybe that is the entire reason for the human experience – maybe it’s true that there must be balance and you must have evil to have good

personally i think that’s a relevant question, however i also think that it is extremely dangerous to not know the correct answer and since i don’t know the answer, i have to do what feels right and it sure as hell doesn’t feel right so sit back and watch the world burn

The Wrath

Paul’s reply to my post:

Re: Split thread from “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion”

My reasons for splitting the above three posts off from the original thread where they were posted, “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” — and a call for a more benevolent leadership, are as follows.

That original thread presented a paper by Miles Mathis: THE PROTOCOLS of the Learned Elders of Zion (pdf).

Miles’ paper discusses a well known historical document entitled “THE PROTOCOLS of the Learned Elders of Zion” (which I will term “The Protocols”, below.) In Miles’ paper, he presents the position that The Protocols were commissioned by the European aristocrats who were at the time (late 1800’s) being defeated by some very powerful financial families, some of whom were Jewish. As Miles documents, The Protocols present these aristocrats in a favorable light, and these Jewish (some of them were Jewish) financiers in a dreadful light.

As Miles documents in his paper, The Protocols are (in his words) “a strange mixture of truth and propaganda, and you have to enter the bog with a pretty good map to make it to the other side.”

  • The opening post of this split thread confused a paragraph very specifically discussing whether Zionists would want to DESTROY GOD, with discussing whether Zionists would want to use strong language in general. There is no basis for that confusion in Miles’ paper – even the very paragraph quoted from Miles on this, in the opening post above, makes that very, very clear. Nonetheless, the opening post of this split thread did confuse the two, using the confusion to justify including several incendiary Zionist supremacist quotations. Such a flimsy excuse for such a blatant distraction is not appropriate in my book.
  • The PROTOCOLS of the Elders of the Zion were clearly written during and discussing events over a century ago in Europe, but the opening post of this split thread takes Miles’ paper to task for its lack of a more detailed discussion of Zionist influence on the US in recent decades, saying “how can he [Miles] be correct given the blatantly obvious influence of the Jews in the U.S.?”.The opening post of this thread then uses that confusion to justify introducing several hot button topics, such as JFK’s assassination, Jewish lobby groups, and a book by Michael C. Piper, that have in a time long after The Protocols were written. Such blatant confounding of the historical time line is not appropriate in my book.(Note also the opening post of this thread drops all qualifications such as “financiers” or “Zionists”, and out right targets “the blatantly obvious influence of the Jews in the U.S.”. I am not optimistic that such careless use of language was accidental.)
  • The opening post of this split thread presents the following quote from Miles’ paper:”In this way, they are like the Jews they criticize. For all of them, blood is blood, even after it has committed treason.“It (the opening post) then goes on to wonder whether the quote refers to the aristocrats or the Jews as sticking together “blood is blood”. An even slightly larger variant of that quote would make it transparently clear that Miles was saying that for the aristocrats, blood is blood:”But since the aristocrats are all about blood, they don’t wish to attack their own. In this way, they are like the Jews they criticize. For all of them, blood is blood, even after it has committed treason. Maybe they hope to turn these treasonous Gentile bluebloods back to the true path.“However, the opening post of this split thread uses the excuse that perhaps Miles means is “implying that Jews stick together” to take stabs at the lack of solidarity amongst Jews. Such blatant inability to read is not appropriate in my book.

This topic, perhaps as much as any is both (1) important to understanding our human predicament, and (2) a bog filled (quite deliberately) with numerous landmines.

Accurate reading and historical perspective are vital to these discussions, and to improving our human predicament.

Perhaps the opening poster said it best: “in spite of what i said about putting too much focus on the Jewish elites, they happen to be a very hot topic for me at this particular time”.

Please do not allow the heat of the topic to short circuit logic or discernment, especially on such important topics.

I will endeavor to keep discussions of important topics on this forum productive, and to keep out, by whatever measures are necessary, disruptions that are more driven by heat than by logic or discernment. Thread splitting, as I have done here, is just one of the several tools that we have available to us.

The Rebuttal

This is my rebuttal to Paul’s attack:

Re: Split thread from “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion”

wow-wee – the iron hammer falls squarely upon e.Man’s head – have to say that i didn’t see that one coming

It seems to me however that your beef with my post is not about *what* i wrote or the several “infractions”, if you will, that you have pointed out, but rather *who* i wrote about. Please, allow me to elaborate…

Were we talking about the Italian mafia, and i said “Italian elites”, would you have taken such drastic action as to isolate my posts, chastise me publicly and send a rather threatening PM?

But the Jewish mafia, well that’s a whole new ball-game, isn’t it? As soon as the word “Jew” or “Jewish” comes into play, it is automatically hate speech and it seems pretty clear to me that this is essentially what i am being accused of, under the guise of not following protocol and straying off topic. There can be criticism of an Italian criminal cabal, but not of a Jewish criminal cabal, is that it? That is surely the sense i am getting here, as i think i can make clear.

Let me begin my defense by expanding upon a statement i made earlier, emphasis added this time…

were it just a history thing, i wouldn’t care, but the history given to us by the victors of WW2 and the Jewish criminal cabal (and i am not saying Jews in general) has had, and continues to have an unbelievable (literally) impact upon our lives, politics, the media, finance, etc., and i personally think that that it is important to understand the real history and motives in order to better access and develop solutions for the many problems we face

Let there be no mistake whatsoever regarding my overall position regarding Jews…

1. I am not racist, nor do i hate people based on their religion, color, history, beliefs, appearance, etc., nor am i currently, or have i ever been a member of any race-centric organization, which includes the nazis, neo-nazis, skin-heads, kkk, white supremacists, or any other hate-based or race-based org, nor do i view my race as superior to another, nor do i view me as superior to others.

2. Although i made it clear earlier, i think i’d better expand upon my statement “and i am not saying Jews in general”. Again, had the discussion been about any people other than the Jews, i would seriously question such a backlash would have occurred. Nevertheless, there are criminal organizations that are centered around races, religions and ideologies (the Italian mafia for example, right?). So what’s wrong with “the Jewish mafia”? Or the “Jewish criminal cabal”? Or the Jewish elites? Does speaking of the Italian mafia/cabal/elites imply all Italians? Of course not; it implies a tiny subset of Italians who happen to be criminals. There is no difference when i refer to the Jewish cabal/mafia. It is not the Jewish people at large that are remotely responsible for many of the problems we face today – quite the opposite – they themselves are perhaps the biggest victims of the Jewish-Zionist elite! I have no more of a beef with Jews or those who call themselves Jews or those who are Jewish anymore than i have with Italians or those who call themselves Italians or Christians.

We have problems in our social and political systems – lots of problems – and knowing who is responsible and why is, in my opinion, necessary to developing relevant solutions to those problems, not that the Jewish-Zionist elites are responsible for all the worlds problems by any stretch, but the fact is that they are responsible for a lot of the most significant problems (if you want to look at it that way – another way to look at is is that we, the 99%, allowed these problems to manifest).

Now if you want to accuse me of being critical of the Jews, fine; i stand absolutely guilty! But understand that i am not singling out the Jews; i am singling out the “1%”, Jewish or otherwise, who are the unethical criminals driving policy. Many, but certainly not all Jews, have been brainwashed into accepting the philosophy of their criminal leaders, just as many, but not all non-Jews have been brainwashed in a similar manner. In that vain, yes, i am critical of the Jews – and of all of the rest of us – for swallowing the poison doled out by the 1%.

You then go on to quote me:

Perhaps the opening poster said it best: “in spite of what i said about putting too much focus on the Jewish elites, they happen to be a very hot topic for me at this particular time”.

You criticize me as though focusing on a single topic is… what? bad? Or is it because Jewry is the topic? Should one be criticized for focusing your attention on your passion because of the subject matter? Or admitting that they are interested in a particular topic? I think your statement is based upon semantics and i think there is little doubt that it is the sensitive subject matter that is the core issue.

Here you state that i misinterpreted something written by Mathis. Again, semantics. My first question is whether my alleged misinterpretation is grounds for the rather brutal flogging i have been subjected to? Am i, or anyone, expected to interpret things as you interpret them? Of course not, but again, i don’t think the issue is my interpretation at all.

Emphasis added…

The opening post of this split thread confused a paragraph very specifically discussing whether Zionists would want to DESTROY GOD, with discussing whether Zionists would want to use strong language in general.

Did i really misinterpret what Mathis said? Well, let’s have a look – he states:

Why do I think the Protocols are fiction? Because they taste like fiction. They don’t read like the real minutes of a meeting, nor like a game plan, nor like a white paper. The psychology is all wrong. People don’t talk about themselves this way. Jewish leaders would whitewash their own actions far better than this, even talking amongst themselves. Despots never call themselves despots, for example. No matter how Machiavellian leaders are, they always try to sugarcoat their actions, especially to themselves. As an example, we can study Protocol 4:


It is blatantly clear to me that Mathis is using this protocol to make a point regarding the language used in the protocols. The content of the protocol he quotes is completely irreverent.

My rebuttal to Mathis was to demonstrate that some Jewish-Zionist elites do, in fact, use such brutal and blunt language and therefore the accuracy of his statement is somewhat questionable in my mind.

Continuing with your opinions…

The PROTOCOLS of the Elders of the Zion were clearly written during and discussing events over a century ago in Europe, but the opening post of this split thread takes Miles’ paper to task for its lack of a more detailed discussion of Zionist influence on the US in recent decades, saying “how can he [Miles] be correct given the blatantly obvious influence of the Jews in the U.S.?”.

You’re reading into my statements something that simply isn’t there and, again, is staggeringly trivial. I never criticized Mathis for not writing more regarding the Jewish-Zionist influence – i simply asked a question. My full quote ( i see that “existentially” should have been “essentially”):

Mathis seems to be saying that the aristocrats are existentially using the Jews as a tool to divert blame, and given the overwhelming influence of the the Jewish cabal in the U.S. and elsewhere, i would have to question that, though, admittedly, i have sometimes wondered if what Mathis is implying is exactly correct, but how can he be correct given the blatantly obvious influence of the Jews in the U.S.?

As for your critique of my indiscriminate “influence of the Jews in the U.S.” statement, granted, i could have been more specific, however i would also argue that the Jews in general, because of this criminal cabal, enjoy some benefits in the U.S. that they may not otherwise have. It’s like being the white person on the bus; you may not hate blacks or agree that Rosa should be restricted to a particular seat, but nevertheless you benefit because you’re white in that you can sit wherever you wish.

This is really quite amazing to me – i can’t imagine anyone being targeted for the utterly trivial things i am being targeted for here. Your criticism of me is based almost entirely on semantics. Again, this strongly indicates to me that it is not the overall subject matter that i am being water-boarded for, but rather it is because you simply don’t like what i have to say. Were this thread about anything other than Jews and Zionism, would i really be taken to task over asking a simple question that is quite obviously very relevant to the topic? And what is wrong with taking Mathis to task, as you put it? Am i not allowed to challenge the statements people make? Or might it be that i am not allowed to question those for which you apparently have a great deal of respect for? I don’t [think] any of these is the issue. I think it’s my challenging a criminal cabal — the 1%, a healthy portion of which happens to be Jewish — and pointing out that they’re Jewish.

This is not about straying off-topic or criticizing people or my alleged misunderstanding of what Mathis wrote or minor infractions which are being blown way out of proportion; it is about me criticizing people who you do not wish to see criticized. Since you do not seem to have the hutzpa to admit this (and i’m sorry, i don’t know how else to out it), you are twisting what i have said to make it appear that i am antisemitic and, in turn, using that invented assumption against me in what is an obvious effort to have me ejected from this forum.

I understand why that is and i suspect it isn’t personal, but i had hoped that the moderators of this particular forum, even if they do not agree with someone, would not try to vilify and threaten those they do not agree with and do so under false pretenses.

This is a perfect example of what i mean (emphasis added):

The opening post of this thread then uses that confusion to justify introducing several hot button topics, such as JFK’s assassination, Jewish lobby groups, and a book by Michael C. Piper, that have in a time long after The Protocols were written. Such blatant confounding of the historical time line is not appropriate in my book.

Here it is glaringly obvious that you are attacking me for the reason that you perceive your knowledge of history to be accurate, while mine is not. Have you read Piper’s book? Have you seriously studied the history you claim i am blatantly confounding? Do you deny the overwhelming power that Jewish lobby groups posses in the U.S. political sphere? Really? Am i not allowed an opinion that you find objectionable?

Since my membership is apparently on the line here because “Such blatant confounding of the historical time line is not appropriate in my book” and other statements, i think it is only fair that i be permitted to request that you provide evidence that reinforces your opinion that my knowledge of the historical and current facts i have discussed in my original post are in error, including the power of the Jewish lobby groups in the U.S. and Zionist philosophy in general. Or that i be permitted to make my case.

I think the rest of your concerns with my post were pretty much addressed in what i have said thus far, so i won’t bother to comment upon them unless requested.

Lastly, i would welcome any and all moderators to read this post and make a decision as to whether i fit in here. If not, that is fine, but i prefer to know now rather than 6 months or a year down the road.

One of the primary purposes of this forum, according to my understanding, is to find ways to dig us out of the immense hole we have excavated for ourselves through complicity, politics, pollution, broken social, education and monetary systems, etc.. It is my opinion that, in order to best do that, it might be a good idea to have a clear understanding of the specifics that led to this mess in the first place. I am not saying that this is the only way or even the right way to solve our problems, but i think it is a possibly way and all i can do is what i think is right.

If we cannot discuss who caused these problems and name names, than it is my opinion that the effectiveness of any given solution may be compromised. If you get bit by a dog, there are all kinds of solutions that can be developed to avoid a future attack; you can stay indoors; you can avoid the area where you were bit; you can kill all the dogs, etc., but wouldn’t knowing which dog bit you be of great value in developing a relevant solution? How do you know that all dogs will act in the same way?

In this silly geo-political game today, there’s a lot of dogs. I happen to be focused on one of them at this particular time, more or less, and that dog happens to be the Jewish-Zionist criminal cabal that is, provably, blatantly and factually influencing our lives – your life. When we speak of the 1%, it is Jewish elites that make up a large portion of that 1%. Are we to assume there is no organization among them? It isn’t my fault – that’s the way it is. And avoiding taboo subject matter is not, to me, how you solve problems.

I am sorry, but i am not at all afraid to point out the obvious, i don’t give a rats ass who gets implicated. Let the chips fall where they may.

So i’m sure some will be wondering what my solutions might be? Simple; EDUCATION!

I don’t want to put the Bush’s, the Cheney’s, the Wolfiwitz’s or the Netanyahu’s in prison … well, ok, i sorta do, but i’d rather change their way of thinking. Karma, you know? What comes around, goes around, and violence (and i see imprisonment as violent) is not the best answer in my opinion.

The Jews as a whole are not the problem, but when there is a blatantly obvious effort by a Jewish-Zionist criminal cabal to screw the rest of us and the Earth for their own self-serving benefit, INCLUDING THE JEWISH PEOPLE, i’ll be damned if i’m going to refrain from pointing that out because it’s not politically correct to criticize Jews. How can you talk about the Italian mafia without mentioning “Italian”? And when you do talk of this, there are probably very few people that assume you are talking about the Italian people as a whole. But the Jewish mafia? Whole different story, isn’t it? Swap out ONE WORD and all of a sudden you’re an anti-Semitic, Jew-bashing neo-nazi skin-head who hates every Jew that was ever born, not that i’m accusing you personally of going that far in your written critique of me, but that does seem to be the implication, at least to some degree.

I’m not asking or expecting anyone to agree with me. I know full well the programming that we all have been subjected to for nearly 7 decades regarding Germany’s role in WW2 and the Jews. All i am asking is that you allow me the opportunity to make a case and, if i am not welcome to do that, then, by all means, dump me because i defiantly do not belong here.

I will close with this quote:

“To determine the true rulers of any society, all you must do is ask yourself this question: Who is it that I am not permitted to criticize?” — Kevin Alfred Strom

The End

Paul would counter my lengthy, heart-felt plea by ignoring it entirely:

Re: Split thread from “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion”

Your abilities to rationalize your actions, and to misinterpret my warnings, are both considerable.

This is unfortunate.


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Is Alex Jones really the truth-seeking patriot he claims to be, or is there another force behind the bullhorn wielding darling of the alternative media?

Similar to NPR, The Alex Jones media machine enjoys a very prominent position in the alternative media scene. From Wikipedia:

The Alex Jones Show syndicated radio program is broadcast nationally by Genesis Communications Network to more than 70 AM and FM radio stations in the United States, and to WWCR Radio shortwave. Live-broadcast times are weekdays 11:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. CST and Sundays from 4:00 to 6:00 p.m. CST. The Sunday broadcast is also broadcast by Emmis Communications’ KLBJ Radio.

As of 2010, he was estimated to have an audience of over 2 million listeners, with a demographic heavier in younger viewers than other conservative pundits.[24] In 2011, he had a larger on-line audience than Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh combined.[41] Author Will Bunch says that Jones was in part a model for Glenn Beck who “synthesized” some of the paranoia of Jones’s commentaries into his persona.[24]

Jones is also the operator of several web sites centered on news and information about civil liberties issues, global government, and a wide variety of current events topics. Several of these sites are,,, and

Having once been a fan of Alex Jones early on in my investigation into the terrorist attacks upon the United States on 11 September, 2001, i have since become disillusioned by his incessant fear-mongering, gross exaggerations and failed predictions. What has come to bother me most however is his constant referrals to Adolf Hitler, the Nazis and Germany’s role in World War II, subjects of which he either knows virtually nothing about or is purposely falsifying and i submit it is the latter. His remarks and catch phrases regarding Hitler and/or the holocaust can be heard in nearly every one of his broadcasts.

It seems decidedly odd to me that an investigative journalist, as he labels himself, could be so utterly ignorant of the facts regarding Germany’s role in the Second World War, the holocaust and the real aspirations of Adolf Hitler and the Nazi party. The truth of these historic events is spread out all over the world wide web and elsewhere in the form of countless books, papers, court transcripts, video, photographs and other documents which have been provided by many brave historians, revisionists, scholars, scientists, engineers, eye witnesses and others who have, in many cases, exposed themselves to great risk including physical abuse, terrorism and imprisonment.

One of the several claims that Jones likes to put forth is that the Nazis added fluoride to the public water supplies in order to dumb-down the masses. Another is that Hitler disarmed the German people in order to facilitate his rise to power. The fluoride claim appears to be factually incorrect and the disarming of the German populace is provably and grossly inaccurate.

It seems all but impossible that Jones could have failed to take notice of the wealth of information regarding Germany’s role in the war and it therefore stands to reason that, if he is aware of the truth, then he must be purposely falsifying it. The question is, why?

There is obviously a very influential Jewish force that has been at work for a very long time and Alex Jones seems to go out of his way to ignore it, as does the mainstream media. Extreme over-representation of Jews in the United States and elsewhere, as well as Zionist philosophies, can be found throughout all of our major institutions including government, the media and finance, yet Alex rarely speaks in-depth about the role that is played and the political influence exerted by many powerful Jews and Zionists. If he is the patriotic American he claims to be, then why does he largely omit a well established and key element of corruption from his programming that is key to understanding the problems we face today?

As it turns out, we need not question Jones’ allegiance as he was kind enough to provide the answer for us in several videos and, as many have long suspected, that allegiance is to Israel.

Alex Jones Show, January 2, 2017 – his rant starts at 51:30

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Indeed, the renowned author, historian, and political theorist, Cooper exposed Jones clearly as a fraud and was, according to many, assassinated to shut him up a few weeks LATER.


Is Alex Jones Linked To Zionist-Jew Bronfman?

THE CONTROVERSY OF ALEX ‘BULLHORN’ JONES being an alleged Zionist shill has now expanded to his apparent Zionist-Jewish connections on his 1) Personal Staff 2) Website Advertisers 3) Link To Time Warner President, Edgar Bronfman Jr.

Jones’ seeming allegiance to Zionism, which explains why he virtually never targets Zionist Jews or the racist, Zionist rogue state of Israel when engaging in his notorious rants and attacks, may well stem from a Protestant-Zionist belief system, and the widely circulated reports that his wife is a Jew – – which makes his two children Jewish under Talmudic law and eligible for the Israeli Law Of Return. In that Jones’ wife is of Jewish heritage, both she and the children would be automatic dual citizens…Alex would not qualify.


Dr. Strangelove: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Alex Jones and Paul Joseph Watson

If people haven’t yet been convinced that [Jones] is an outright shill and operative for the Jewish money power in this world, then I am not sure what will… he is not a legitimate patriot fighting against the New World Order but a Zionist shill.


The Alex Jones Machine – Round Two

These pages will show…

  • Alex and Kelly Jones’ documented connections to Bronfman, power lawyer Elizabeth Schurig…who just happens to be Alex Jones personal attorney.

  • Free Speech Systems and other Jones companies have the same elite zionist corporate address as does Bronfman attorney Schurig.

  • Jeff Rense was forced off GCN because he dared post a LINK on his news site to another site with a legitimate journalist’s story questioning Jones’ true motives and apparent zionist agenda.

  • Interesting examples of speech reversals taken from theJones own statement about Rense.

  • Ted Anderson’s betrayal of the so-called ‘GCN mission’ by caving to Jones’ demands.

  • Anderson supports Clear Channel by frequently buying ads for his Midas gold company on it. People send Midas Resources checks for silver and gold…Ted sends checks to Clear Channel.